[ih] ARPANET uncontrolled packets (was: GOSIP & compliance)

[Toerless Eckert]

On Mon, Apr 04, 2022 at 09:27:43AM -0700, Jack Haverty via Internet-history wrote:
> There just weren't enough words to precisely describe the carnage involved
> in computer networking...reminds me of those old late-night TV ads "It
> slices, it chops, it dices, it shreds!  Call this number to order your Acme
> Kitchen Wizard!  Call now and get two for the price of one!"

Trying to parse...

So we should send the Internet to Tom Dickson ? Or just TCP and QUIC ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rofgMueCOqo

Cheers
    Toerless

Sorry! As they'd say in court, you opened the door wide open ;-)

> Jack Haverty
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> On 4/3/22 22:58, Stephen Casner wrote:
> > On Sun, 3 Apr 2022, Jack Haverty via Internet-history wrote:
> > 
> > > UDP defined a "datagram mode" somewhat analogous to the ARPANET's
> > > "uncontrolled packets" ("type 3" IIRC).  The ARPANET operators at BBN were
> > > staunchly opposed to allowing such packets to be used, for fear that they
> > > would seriously disrupt the normal "virtual circuit" mechanisms internal to
> > > the ARPANET structure.  So "datagrams" on the ARPANET, while possible, were
> > > only rarely permitted, for specific experiments, between specific Hosts.
> > I have often seen/heard the ARPANET uncontrolled packets referenced as
> > "type 3", e.g. by our late Danny Cohen.  But they were actually "type
> > 0, subtype 3".  I remember implementing that for packet voice.  Check
> > BBN 1822 pp. 3-14 and 3-35.
> > 
> >                                                          -- Steve
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