[ih] reinventing the wheel, was Internet History Lives on the Internet?

[Miles Fidelman]

Well, that's not how it's supposed to work.  Or claimed to work.

On 2/25/19 8:27 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:
> Naw, it’s all unicast with plenty of redundant traffic moving along 
> long routes.
>
>> On Feb 25, 2019, at 5:49 PM, Miles Fidelman 
>> <mfidelman at meetinghouse.net <mailto:mfidelman at meetinghouse.net>> wrote:
>>
>> That's not what anybody said.  It's EFFECTIVELY multicast - avoiding 
>> redundant traffic when more than one destination is downloading the 
>> same file, at the same time.  That's its whole point.  (Or as someone 
>> else put it, it's a caching mechanism.)
>>
>> Miles
>>
>> On 2/25/19 4:24 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:
>>> Bittorrent doesn’t use multicast.
>>>
>>>> On Feb 25, 2019, at 1:42 PM, Miles Fidelman 
>>>> <mfidelman at meetinghouse.net <mailto:mfidelman at meetinghouse.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well yes, but torrent is a distribution mechanism - it's not an 
>>>> infrastructure for maintaining or mirroring files.  It's 
>>>> essentially another, sometimes more efficient, option for 
>>>> click-to-download (e.g., ftp, http, bittorrent).  And it's only 
>>>> more efficient if multiple people are downloading at the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Miles
>>>>
>>>> On 2/25/19 12:28 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:
>>>>> No, Bittorrent uses DHTs and accesses as many copies of a given 
>>>>> file as users choose to share. It has to be running to serve 
>>>>> files, however.
>>>>>
>>>>> RB
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Miles Fidelman 
>>>>>> <mfidelman at meetinghouse.net <mailto:mfidelman at meetinghouse.net>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/24/19 9:53 PM, John Levine wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's what I find intriguing about my Benevolent BotNet 
>>>>>>>> notion. Rather
>>>>>>>> than depending on finding an institution interested in, 
>>>>>>>> competent at,
>>>>>>>> and willing to save history, and hoping that it has longevity, 
>>>>>>>> you rely
>>>>>>>> on a network of volunteers to provide that survivable 
>>>>>>>> infrastructure by
>>>>>>>> volunteering their excess computing resources.
>>>>>>> Hi again.  Please look at Bittorrent and tell us how it is different
>>>>>>> from what you're proposing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bittorrent has the advantage of already existing and being deployed
>>>>>>> all over the world.  It's notorious for pirated music but it's also
>>>>>>> widely used for sharing linux distributions and the like.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bit torrent is transient.  It's more like an ad-hoc multi-cast
>>>>>> streaming.  When nobody is downloading, there may be only one 
>>>>>> copy of
>>>>>> the file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now gnutella, and some of the other P2P file sharing systems - that
>>>>>> replicate copies, or distribute files across a distributed hash 
>>>>>> table -
>>>>>> that's another story entirely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
>>>>>> In practice, there is.  .... Yogi Berra
>>>>>>
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>>>>> —
>>>>> Richard Bennett
>>>>> High Tech Forum <http://hightechforum.org/> Founder
>>>>> Ethernet & Wi-Fi standards co-creator
>>>>>
>>>>> Internet Policy Consultant
>>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
>>>> In practice, there is.  .... Yogi Berra
>>>
>>> —
>>> Richard Bennett
>>> High Tech Forum <http://hightechforum.org/> Founder
>>> Ethernet & Wi-Fi standards co-creator
>>>
>>> Internet Policy Consultant
>>>
>> -- 
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>> In practice, there is.  .... Yogi Berra
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> —
> Richard Bennett
> High Tech Forum <http://hightechforum.org> Founder
> Ethernet & Wi-Fi standards co-creator
>
> Internet Policy Consultant
>
-- 
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.  .... Yogi Berra

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