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<p>Well, that's not how it's supposed to work. Or claimed to work.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/25/19 8:27 PM, Richard Bennett
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Naw, it’s all unicast with plenty of redundant traffic moving
along long routes. <br class="">
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<p class="">That's not what anybody said. It's
EFFECTIVELY multicast - avoiding redundant traffic when
more than one destination is downloading the same file,
at the same time. That's its whole point. (Or as
someone else put it, it's a caching mechanism.)<br
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/25/19 4:24 PM, Richard
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Bittorrent doesn’t use multicast.<br class="">
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<p class="">Well yes, but torrent is a
distribution mechanism - it's not an
infrastructure for maintaining or mirroring
files. It's essentially another, sometimes
more efficient, option for click-to-download
(e.g., ftp, http, bittorrent). And it's only
more efficient if multiple people are
downloading at the same time.</p>
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No, Bittorrent uses DHTs and accesses as many
copies of a given file as users choose to
share. It has to be running to serve files,
however.
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<div class="">On 2/24/19 9:53 PM, John
Levine wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">That's
what I find intriguing about my
Benevolent BotNet notion.
Rather<br class="">
than depending on finding an
institution interested in,
competent at,<br class="">
and willing to save history, and
hoping that it has longevity,
you rely<br class="">
on a network of volunteers to
provide that survivable
infrastructure by<br class="">
volunteering their excess
computing resources.<br class="">
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Hi again. Please look at
Bittorrent and tell us how it is
different<br class="">
from what you're proposing.<br
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Bittorrent has the advantage of
already existing and being
deployed<br class="">
all over the world. It's
notorious for pirated music but
it's also<br class="">
widely used for sharing linux
distributions and the like.<br
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Bit torrent is transient. It's more
like an ad-hoc multi-cast <br
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streaming. When nobody is
downloading, there may be only one
copy of <br class="">
the file.<br class="">
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Now gnutella, and some of the other
P2P file sharing systems - that <br
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replicate copies, or distribute
files across a distributed hash
table - <br class="">
that's another story entirely.<br
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