[ih] reinventing the wheel, was Internet History Lives on the Internet?

[Richard Bennett]

Naw, it’s all unicast with plenty of redundant traffic moving along long routes. 

> On Feb 25, 2019, at 5:49 PM, Miles Fidelman <mfidelman at meetinghouse.net> wrote:
> 
> That's not what anybody said.  It's EFFECTIVELY multicast - avoiding redundant traffic when more than one destination is downloading the same file, at the same time.  That's its whole point.  (Or as someone else put it, it's a caching mechanism.)
> 
> Miles
> 
> On 2/25/19 4:24 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:
>> Bittorrent doesn’t use multicast.
>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2019, at 1:42 PM, Miles Fidelman <mfidelman at meetinghouse.net <mailto:mfidelman at meetinghouse.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well yes, but torrent is a distribution mechanism - it's not an infrastructure for maintaining or mirroring files.  It's essentially another, sometimes more efficient, option for click-to-download (e.g., ftp, http, bittorrent).  And it's only more efficient if multiple people are downloading at the same time.
>>> 
>>> Miles
>>> 
>>> On 2/25/19 12:28 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:
>>>> No, Bittorrent uses DHTs and accesses as many copies of a given file as users choose to share. It has to be running to serve files, however.
>>>> 
>>>> RB
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 25, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Miles Fidelman <mfidelman at meetinghouse.net <mailto:mfidelman at meetinghouse.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/24/19 9:53 PM, John Levine wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That's what I find intriguing about my Benevolent BotNet notion.  Rather
>>>>>>> than depending on finding an institution interested in, competent at,
>>>>>>> and willing to save history, and hoping that it has longevity, you rely
>>>>>>> on a network of volunteers to provide that survivable infrastructure by
>>>>>>> volunteering their excess computing resources.
>>>>>> Hi again.  Please look at Bittorrent and tell us how it is different
>>>>>> from what you're proposing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bittorrent has the advantage of already existing and being deployed
>>>>>> all over the world.  It's notorious for pirated music but it's also
>>>>>> widely used for sharing linux distributions and the like.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Bit torrent is transient.  It's more like an ad-hoc multi-cast 
>>>>> streaming.  When nobody is downloading, there may be only one copy of 
>>>>> the file.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now gnutella, and some of the other P2P file sharing systems - that 
>>>>> replicate copies, or distribute files across a distributed hash table - 
>>>>> that's another story entirely.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> In practice, there is.  .... Yogi Berra
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>>>> Richard Bennett
>>>> High Tech Forum <http://hightechforum.org/> Founder
>>>> Ethernet & Wi-Fi standards co-creator
>>>> 
>>>> Internet Policy Consultant
>>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
>>> In practice, there is.  .... Yogi Berra
>> 
>> —
>> Richard Bennett
>> High Tech Forum <http://hightechforum.org/> Founder
>> Ethernet & Wi-Fi standards co-creator
>> 
>> Internet Policy Consultant
>> 
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Richard Bennett
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Ethernet & Wi-Fi standards co-creator

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