[ih] Early Internet history

[Dr Eberhard W Lisse]

And,

UNDO and MCVAX were both on EARN/BITNET, though I don’t remember if they routed any UUCP traffic over BITNET.

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On 6 Jul 2018, 23:24 +0100, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com>, wrote:
> On 07/07/2018 06:53, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> > > That's a good point.  I too remember USENET as referring more to the
> > > newsgroups than to uucp transport.
> >
> > Yes, Usenet was the collection of newsgroups, originally shipped over
> > UUCP.
> >
> > > Do I recall correctly that "uunet" was the term used to denote the
> > > network of machines that could be reached by bang path addressing?
> >
> > No, 'uunet' was a commercial UUCP hub, started up by Rick Adams. It
> > handled a great volume of mail and news traffic, as well as an extensive
> > public file archive. It eventually morphed into Alternet, one of the
> > very first commercial Internet providers.
> >
> > As for the collection of hosts relaying mail over UUCP, we always referred
> > to it as "the UUCP network." It was all very adhoc, with many private
> > links. When we talked about "the UUCP network" it generally referred to
> > the hosts exchanging mail as defined in the monthly UUCP maps, published
> > in the comp.mail.maps newsgroup.
>
> EUNET in Europe was the UUCP setup, starting formally in 1982, which in
> due time migrated from UUCP-over-dialup to UUCP-over-TCP/IP. Its HQ was
> in Amsterdam and was a large part of why RIPE also grew up in Amsterdam.
> The best source, I think, is a section in:
> A History of International Research Networking: the People who Made it
> Happen, Howard Davies & Beatrice Bressan (ed), ISBN: 978-3-527-32710-2,
> Wiley, 2010.
>
> Personally I was using UUCP email between Switzerland and New Zealand
> in ~1984, well before SMTP was available on that path. We saw either
> MCVAX (in Amsterdam) or UNIDO (in Dortmund) in most bang paths
> from CERNVAX.
>
> Brian
>
>
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