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<div name="messageBodySection">And,<br />
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UNDO and MCVAX were both on EARN/BITNET, though I don’t remember if they routed any UUCP traffic over BITNET.<br />
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<div name="messageReplySection">On 6 Jul 2018, 23:24 +0100, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, wrote:<br />
<blockquote type="cite">On 07/07/2018 06:53, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:<br />
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<blockquote type="cite">That's a good point. I too remember USENET as referring more to the<br />
newsgroups than to uucp transport.<br /></blockquote>
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Yes, Usenet was the collection of newsgroups, originally shipped over<br />
UUCP.<br />
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<blockquote type="cite">Do I recall correctly that "uunet" was the term used to denote the<br />
network of machines that could be reached by bang path addressing?<br /></blockquote>
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No, 'uunet' was a commercial UUCP hub, started up by Rick Adams. It<br />
handled a great volume of mail and news traffic, as well as an extensive<br />
public file archive. It eventually morphed into Alternet, one of the<br />
very first commercial Internet providers.<br />
<br />
As for the collection of hosts relaying mail over UUCP, we always referred<br />
to it as "the UUCP network." It was all very adhoc, with many private<br />
links. When we talked about "the UUCP network" it generally referred to<br />
the hosts exchanging mail as defined in the monthly UUCP maps, published<br />
in the comp.mail.maps newsgroup.<br /></blockquote>
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EUNET in Europe was the UUCP setup, starting formally in 1982, which in<br />
due time migrated from UUCP-over-dialup to UUCP-over-TCP/IP. Its HQ was<br />
in Amsterdam and was a large part of why RIPE also grew up in Amsterdam.<br />
The best source, I think, is a section in:<br />
A History of International Research Networking: the People who Made it<br />
Happen, Howard Davies & Beatrice Bressan (ed), ISBN: 978-3-527-32710-2,<br />
Wiley, 2010.<br />
<br />
Personally I was using UUCP email between Switzerland and New Zealand<br />
in ~1984, well before SMTP was available on that path. We saw either<br />
MCVAX (in Amsterdam) or UNIDO (in Dortmund) in most bang paths<br />
from CERNVAX.<br />
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Brian<br />
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