[ih] [IP] OSI: The Internet That Wasn't

[John Day]

No, it was not the OSI process.  All consensus processes have these 
properties.  They become more manifest with size and with time.  It 
is the nature of the beast.  However, I would offer that the 
particular organization of the IETF which lacks certain fundamental 
feedback mechanisms has more problems than those with those feedback 
mechanisms.  There is a reasonable treatment of this in Federalist 10.

As to IPv6 turning out different, ahh soon they forget.  The ground 
rules were set so that the answer had to be anything but CLNP.  CLNP 
fixed a problem we had seen in the ARPANET.  I remember sitting in 
those meetings incredulous that a problem we had first seen 20 year 
before (now 40) was not being fixed.  But we don't need to go there.


At 10:16 AM +0200 7/31/13, Scott Brim wrote:
>Exactly why I mentioned it.  TCP/IP won, but so did the OSI process.
>
>On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, Dave Crocker wrote:
>
>On 7/31/2013 9:10 AM, Scott Brim wrote:
>
>
>Is this where we segue to talking about the state of the  IETF?
>
>
>
>Well, umm...
>
>In the early 1980s, there was a hot debate going on between DOS and 
>Unix.  I went and did other things for a few years; when I returned, 
>I discovered that Unix had won and it was called DOS.  DOS continued 
>to dominate the market but all of its new features were taken from 
>Unix.
>
>Too often, the same template applies for the IETF.  That is, what I 
>often see is that in many cases, OSI has won, and it is called IETF.
>
>Too often, work attempts the union of the feature lists, rather than 
>the intersection, and therefore takes an overly long time to 
>complete, produces massively complex specifications, and is not 
>immediately useful.
>
>It is now not that unusual to hear -- such as yesterday morning -- 
>someone (whose experience ought to have taught them better) that it 
>is essential to do everything all at once, for example to make sure 
>that all of the pieces work together.   This is in marked contrast 
>with essentially all of the major IETF successes over the last 25+ 
>years.
>
>Aren't you glad you asked?
>
>d/
>
>--
>Dave Crocker
>Brandenburg InternetWorking
><http://bbiw.net>bbiw.net
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