[ih] Anyone have a copy of IEN-33?

[Vint Cerf]

thanks Jack - little was kept at ARPA except for ARPA Orders.
I don't have the IENs - stupid me for not collecting them all religiously.

v


On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 7:57 PM Jack Haverty via Internet-history <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> My book of IENs, collected as they were issued, is also missing IEN 33.
> Have you seen any evidence that IEN 33 was ever actually released as an
> IEN?   I know there were some RFCs and/or IENs that were assigned
> numbers but never actually produced.   I authored one RFC in the 700s
> myself but never actually wrote it.
>
> I DO have a copy of "TCP Meeting Notes" sent by Jon Postel to the email
> address [ISIE]<Postel>TCP-INTERNET.List   It documents the meeting of
> 15-16 June 1978 held at MIT.  There's no indication that it was also
> released as an IEN.   The email does say that the file is (was)
> available online at <internet-notebook>TCP-MEETING-NOTES.TXT at ISIE.
>
> It looks like the typical meeting report of the time, containing a
> record of Vint's goals for the meeting, followed by status reports from
> each contractor.
>
> Among Vint's goals: "The format of the TCP and INTERNET headers is to be
> firmly decided at this meeting", "The schedule for implementation of
> version 4 is to be established.", "The schedule for Telnet and FTP
> running on TCP is to be established.", and "the whole ARPANET community
> should expect to move to using TCP".
>
> So the planning for the eventual 1/1/1983 Flag Day started sometime
> before June 1978.
>
> Vint's introduction was followed by discussions of various topics, and
> even some votes:
>
> "Shall the Port be part of the Internet Header?"
> Result: NO.
> "Shall the Port be part of the TCP Header?"
> Result: NO.
>
> The process of evolving from TCP 2 to TCP 4 resembled sausage
> making....achieving consensus wasn't easy.
>
> I also have the notes I took at the meeting.  Big meetings happened
> quarterly, so it seems unlikely that there was a meeting in mid-June
> following one only 6 weeks earlier.  Perhaps the May 1-2 meeting was
> cancelled and rescheduled into mid June?
>
> Jack
>
> PS - I don't recall anything being kept "at ARPA"; most stuff was kept
> at contractors' sites, often SRI or ISI.
>
> On 1/29/25 14:25, Noel Chiappa via Internet-history wrote:
> > The IEN repository at the RFC Editor is missing this one; I ask because
> the
> > IEN's for the minutes of the meetings are all there, except this one.
> > (Bennett, "Internet Meeting Notes - 1&2 May 1978). Not super-important
> > (compared to say, the email archive of the TCP/IP email list at the time,
> > which I think was at DARPA - but maybe at a contractor), but it would be
> nice
> > to have.
> >
> > Oh, I've found some evidence that I wasn't the only one who called that
> group
> > the 'Internet Working Group' (r.e. my original query); I don't remember
> all
> > the instances I've seen, but IEN-60 is entitled "Boston Area Meeting of
> the
> > Internet Working Group to Discuss Interactions With Gateways".
> >
> >       Noel
> >
> > PS: Craig's email reminds me of another password story. Proteon put a
> field
> > service password in the Proteon routers. So Milo gets the load, and
> thinks
> > 'Gee, I should try running 'strings' on this'; he does so, and see an odd
> > string (near the 'Password:' prompt, IIRC). He tries it, and it lets him
> in.
> > He complains. So in the _next_ release, he runs 'strings' over it, and
> sees
> > the string 'Sorry Milo, it's not so easy this time!'
>
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