[ih] Anyone have a copy of IEN-33?

[Jack Haverty]

My book of IENs, collected as they were issued, is also missing IEN 33.  
Have you seen any evidence that IEN 33 was ever actually released as an 
IEN?   I know there were some RFCs and/or IENs that were assigned 
numbers but never actually produced.   I authored one RFC in the 700s 
myself but never actually wrote it.

I DO have a copy of "TCP Meeting Notes" sent by Jon Postel to the email 
address [ISIE]<Postel>TCP-INTERNET.List   It documents the meeting of 
15-16 June 1978 held at MIT.  There's no indication that it was also 
released as an IEN.   The email does say that the file is (was) 
available online at <internet-notebook>TCP-MEETING-NOTES.TXT at ISIE.

It looks like the typical meeting report of the time, containing a 
record of Vint's goals for the meeting, followed by status reports from 
each contractor.

Among Vint's goals: "The format of the TCP and INTERNET headers is to be 
firmly decided at this meeting", "The schedule for implementation of 
version 4 is to be established.", "The schedule for Telnet and FTP 
running on TCP is to be established.", and "the whole ARPANET community 
should expect to move to using TCP".

So the planning for the eventual 1/1/1983 Flag Day started sometime 
before June 1978.

Vint's introduction was followed by discussions of various topics, and 
even some votes:

"Shall the Port be part of the Internet Header?"
Result: NO.
"Shall the Port be part of the TCP Header?"
Result: NO.

The process of evolving from TCP 2 to TCP 4 resembled sausage 
making....achieving consensus wasn't easy.

I also have the notes I took at the meeting.  Big meetings happened 
quarterly, so it seems unlikely that there was a meeting in mid-June 
following one only 6 weeks earlier.  Perhaps the May 1-2 meeting was 
cancelled and rescheduled into mid June?

Jack

PS - I don't recall anything being kept "at ARPA"; most stuff was kept 
at contractors' sites, often SRI or ISI.

On 1/29/25 14:25, Noel Chiappa via Internet-history wrote:
> The IEN repository at the RFC Editor is missing this one; I ask because the
> IEN's for the minutes of the meetings are all there, except this one.
> (Bennett, "Internet Meeting Notes - 1&2 May 1978). Not super-important
> (compared to say, the email archive of the TCP/IP email list at the time,
> which I think was at DARPA - but maybe at a contractor), but it would be nice
> to have.
>
> Oh, I've found some evidence that I wasn't the only one who called that group
> the 'Internet Working Group' (r.e. my original query); I don't remember all
> the instances I've seen, but IEN-60 is entitled "Boston Area Meeting of the
> Internet Working Group to Discuss Interactions With Gateways".
>
> 	Noel
>
> PS: Craig's email reminds me of another password story. Proteon put a field
> service password in the Proteon routers. So Milo gets the load, and thinks
> 'Gee, I should try running 'strings' on this'; he does so, and see an odd
> string (near the 'Password:' prompt, IIRC). He tries it, and it lets him in.
> He complains. So in the _next_ release, he runs 'strings' over it, and sees
> the string 'Sorry Milo, it's not so easy this time!'

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