[ih] Gateway Issue: Certification (was Re: booting linux on a 4004)

[Scott O. Bradner]

relevant to the question of OSI testing

An Overview of OSI Conformance Testing
https://www.site.uottawa.ca/~bochmann/CSI5174/CourseNotes/Literature/Tretmans%20-%20Overview%20of%20OSI%20conformance%20testing%20-%20iso9646.pdf


> On Oct 3, 2024, at 4:06 PM, John Day via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> 
> No, never has on anything I know of. 
> 
> The only certification done on OSI was done by the DoD at some place in Arizona and it was a complete fiasco.
> 
> John
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2024, at 15:43, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
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>> ISO?
>> v
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>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 3:42 PM John Day via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org <mailto:internet-history at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
>>> Just out of curiosity, what other standards organizations do compliance testing?
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 3, 2024, at 13:54, Dave Crocker via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org <mailto:internet-history at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
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>>>> On 10/3/2024 10:43 AM, Jack Haverty via Internet-history wrote:
>>>>> It's curious to me that such mechanisms have not been created for the Internet Industry.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Informal interoperability testing, versus formal compliance testing, was and remains a key distinction between the Internet's culture and the cultures of various other standards organization. Compliance testing is typically expensive and incomplete.  (As a tool for initial code debugging, tests like that can be efficient; as a guarantee of field interoperability, not so much.)
>>>> 
>>>> There was a wonderful panel that Vint was on, circa 1990, along with a number of other folk, including a vigorous OSI proponent from Boeing.
>>>> 
>>>> Vint made his comments about experiences with the Internet's technology and specifically noted the reliance on interoperability testing rather than (bench) compliance testing.
>>>> 
>>>> Other panelists made various comments and then the Boeing person made theirs, vigorously asserting that it is not possible to get widespread interoperability without formal compliance testing.
>>>> 
>>>> It was fun to watch Vint slowly lean slightly forward and then slowly turn his head toward the Boeing person.
>>>> 
>>>> d/
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