[ih] GOSIP & compliance

[Tony Li]

Hi Bob,

I was something of a spectator.  Milo Medin and Jeff Burgan are authoritative.

NASA’s network started off as DECnet and painfully migrated to DECnet Phase V (i.e. OSI). So it’s correct, OSI wasn’t totally, officially dead yet. But it was VERY clear that to talk to anyone else, it was IP.

T


> On Mar 22, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Bob Purvy via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> 
> Is anyone familiar with NASA Ames' internal network history? I found this
> document
> <https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19910002112/downloads/19910002112.pdf>
> (disclaimer:
> which I haven't read yet), which seems to indicate OSI wasn't *totally,
> officially* dead by the 90s
> 
> (I see Vint in the Acknowledgements.)
> 
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 9:13 AM Francesco Fondelli <
> francesco.fondelli at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> In Italy we had Videotel, similar to Minitel. I never had a Videotel
>> terminal (was expensive and yes paid by the minute) but in the 90s you
>> could connect with a V.23/V.21 (?) modem to ITAPAC (X.25 network) and
>> somehow access some of the Videotel services (at local per-call-rate... 200
>> lire IIRC).
>> 
>> I think Videotel main app was... chat.
>> 
>> Still have the phone numbers of some ITAPAC "gateway"...
>> 
>> ciao
>> 
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 9:05 PM Bob Purvy via Internet-history <
>> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>> It apparently made France Telecom a lot of money since users paid
>>> by the minute, but I think they were kind of embarrassed by the whole
>>> thing.
>>> 
>>> I believe we now have a corollary to the theorem:
>>> 
>>> *'Strategic' means you don't make any money.*
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's:
>>> 
>>> * If you're making money, it's not strategic.*
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 10:45 AM John R. Levine <johnl at iecc.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> Well, don't people in France ever want to look up numbers in Germany,
>>>>> England, and Italy?
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps, but historically the way that worked is that each national
>>> telco
>>>> had operators in a room full of out of date foreign phone books.  I
>>> doubt
>>>> any of the telcos would have found that compelling.
>>>> 
>>>>> Also, there were lots of other apps on top of Minitel, including a
>>> dating
>>>>> service! It did replace calls for directory assistance, but then
>>> people
>>>>> discovered it could do a lot of other things, too.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, I know.  In our 1995 Internet Secrets, we had a chapter on Minitel
>>>> Rose.  It apparently made France Telecom a lot of money since users paid
>>>> by the minute, but I think they were kind of embarassed by the whole
>>>> thing.
>>>> 
>>>> It is a reasonable question why other PTTs didn't just clone Minitel,
>>> but
>>>> I don't think at the time there would have been much incentive to hook
>>>> them together.  Apparently they did trials in Belgium and Ireland, but
>>>> without the PTT subsidy to provide the terminals for free, they didn't
>>> go
>>>> anywhere.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> John Levine, johnl at taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for
>>>> Dummies",
>>>> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail.
>>> https://jl.ly
>>>> 
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