[ih] GOSIP & compliance

[Bob Purvy]

Is anyone familiar with NASA Ames' internal network history? I found this
document
<https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19910002112/downloads/19910002112.pdf>
(disclaimer:
which I haven't read yet), which seems to indicate OSI wasn't *totally,
officially* dead by the 90s

(I see Vint in the Acknowledgements.)

On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 9:13 AM Francesco Fondelli <
francesco.fondelli at gmail.com> wrote:

> In Italy we had Videotel, similar to Minitel. I never had a Videotel
> terminal (was expensive and yes paid by the minute) but in the 90s you
> could connect with a V.23/V.21 (?) modem to ITAPAC (X.25 network) and
> somehow access some of the Videotel services (at local per-call-rate... 200
> lire IIRC).
>
> I think Videotel main app was... chat.
>
> Still have the phone numbers of some ITAPAC "gateway"...
>
> ciao
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 9:05 PM Bob Purvy via Internet-history <
> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
>> > It apparently made France Telecom a lot of money since users paid
>> by the minute, but I think they were kind of embarrassed by the whole
>> thing.
>>
>> I believe we now have a corollary to the theorem:
>>
>> *'Strategic' means you don't make any money.*
>>
>>
>> It's:
>>
>> * If you're making money, it's not strategic.*
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 10:45 AM John R. Levine <johnl at iecc.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Well, don't people in France ever want to look up numbers in Germany,
>> > > England, and Italy?
>> >
>> > Perhaps, but historically the way that worked is that each national
>> telco
>> > had operators in a room full of out of date foreign phone books.  I
>> doubt
>> > any of the telcos would have found that compelling.
>> >
>> > > Also, there were lots of other apps on top of Minitel, including a
>> dating
>> > > service! It did replace calls for directory assistance, but then
>> people
>> > > discovered it could do a lot of other things, too.
>> >
>> > Yes, I know.  In our 1995 Internet Secrets, we had a chapter on Minitel
>> > Rose.  It apparently made France Telecom a lot of money since users paid
>> > by the minute, but I think they were kind of embarassed by the whole
>> > thing.
>> >
>> > It is a reasonable question why other PTTs didn't just clone Minitel,
>> but
>> > I don't think at the time there would have been much incentive to hook
>> > them together.  Apparently they did trials in Belgium and Ireland, but
>> > without the PTT subsidy to provide the terminals for free, they didn't
>> go
>> > anywhere.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > John Levine, johnl at taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for
>> > Dummies",
>> > Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail.
>> https://jl.ly
>> >
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