[ih] QUIC story

[Jorge Amodio]

Thank you Steve,

Didn’t know at all that it was a separate agency.

-Jorge

> On Jun 25, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com> wrote:
> 
> The US Defense Department has the well known Services — Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and recently formed Space Force — and quite a few Defense Agencies that report to the Secretary of Defense but not to any of the Services.
> 
> The Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) runs the Defense Data Network (DDN).  DISA is the modern revision of the Defense Communication Agency (DCA).
> 
> Steve
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2022, at 6:56 PM, Jorge Amodio via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Just out of curiosity, I never thought about it before. What branch of the
>> military ran DDN & NIC-DDN ?
>> 
>> -J
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 3:18 PM Vint Cerf via Internet-history <
>>> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> counterexamples:
>>> https://ftp.arl.army.mil/~mike/bio-long.html
>>> 
>>> also see Mike St. Johns
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.ietfjournal.org/interview-with-mike-st-johnes-director-network-implementation-strategies-nominet/
>>> 
>>> v
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 4:10 PM Barbara Denny via Internet-history <
>>> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I guess I will mention in the late 80s, maybe early 90s,  even the Army
>>>> had some interest in understanding and perhaps participating in the IETF.
>>>> Besides discussing the IETF, I brought at least one person, probably two,
>>>> to an IETF meeting so they could see for themselves what went on.  As far
>>>> as I know they didn't become participants for any length of time. I
>>>> certainly didn't get any additional contact funds to do more in this
>>> regard.
>>>> barbara
>>>>   On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 12:30:27 PM PDT, Dave Crocker via
>>>> Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/25/2022 5:11 AM, Jorge Amodio via Internet-history wrote:
>>>>>> I'm not sure where you get your information from, but vendors have been
>>>>>> deeply involved since the early days of the Internet, even ARPANet,
>>> BBN,
>>>>> Cisco, DEC, etc, were private companies and "vendors" since their
>>>> inception
>>>>> and there has been a constant participation from companies and services
>>>>> providers for very long time.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> There was something of a milestone, in this regard, around 1987. Prior
>>>> to that, vendor participation was from a strongly-linked relationship to
>>>> am Arpanet/Internet research contractors, or even from aDirect
>>>> government contract  Permission-by-association, if you will.
>>>> 
>>>> After that, random commercial representatives were permitted to attend
>>>> IETF meetings.
>>>> 
>>>> Not the sort of thing to add to a resume, but I turned out to be the
>>>> test case that produced this change.
>>>> 
>>>> I was working for a company that produced after-market TCP/IP stacks.
>>>> We had no direct involvement in any Internet R&D. Just a company selling
>>>> its wares.  Given how rapidly Internet tech was changing at that time, I
>>>> wanted us attending IETF meetings.
>>>> 
>>>> The IETF initially rejected the request, but I pressed.  Much discussion
>>>> ensured, and I believe the decisive comment was Bob Braden's that was
>>>> along the lines of "come on folks, it's Dave, and we know him."
>>>> 
>>>> This was utterly irrelevant logic, but apparently swayed IETF folk
>>>> enough for permission to be granted.  So I got to attend.  By the
>>>> meeting after that, the floodgates were fully opened, with other vendors
>>>> attending.
>>>> 
>>>> In spite of compelling reasons to motivate one, I remain steadfastly
>>>> unapologetic...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> d/
>>>> 
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>>>> Brandenburg InternetWorking
>>>> bbiw.net
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