[ih] QUIC story

[Steve Crocker]

The US Defense Department has the well known Services — Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and recently formed Space Force — and quite a few Defense Agencies that report to the Secretary of Defense but not to any of the Services.

The Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) runs the Defense Data Network (DDN).  DISA is the modern revision of the Defense Communication Agency (DCA).

Steve

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> On Jun 25, 2022, at 6:56 PM, Jorge Amodio via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> 
> Just out of curiosity, I never thought about it before. What branch of the
> military ran DDN & NIC-DDN ?
> 
> -J
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 3:18 PM Vint Cerf via Internet-history <
>> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>> 
>> counterexamples:
>> https://ftp.arl.army.mil/~mike/bio-long.html
>> 
>> also see Mike St. Johns
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.ietfjournal.org/interview-with-mike-st-johnes-director-network-implementation-strategies-nominet/
>> 
>> v
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 4:10 PM Barbara Denny via Internet-history <
>> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> I guess I will mention in the late 80s, maybe early 90s,  even the Army
>>> had some interest in understanding and perhaps participating in the IETF.
>>> Besides discussing the IETF, I brought at least one person, probably two,
>>> to an IETF meeting so they could see for themselves what went on.  As far
>>> as I know they didn't become participants for any length of time. I
>>> certainly didn't get any additional contact funds to do more in this
>> regard.
>>> barbara
>>>    On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 12:30:27 PM PDT, Dave Crocker via
>>> Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 6/25/2022 5:11 AM, Jorge Amodio via Internet-history wrote:
>>>> I'm not sure where you get your information from, but vendors have been
>>>> deeply involved since the early days of the Internet, even ARPANet,
>> BBN,
>>>> Cisco, DEC, etc, were private companies and "vendors" since their
>>> inception
>>>> and there has been a constant participation from companies and services
>>>> providers for very long time.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There was something of a milestone, in this regard, around 1987. Prior
>>> to that, vendor participation was from a strongly-linked relationship to
>>> am Arpanet/Internet research contractors, or even from aDirect
>>> government contract  Permission-by-association, if you will.
>>> 
>>> After that, random commercial representatives were permitted to attend
>>> IETF meetings.
>>> 
>>> Not the sort of thing to add to a resume, but I turned out to be the
>>> test case that produced this change.
>>> 
>>> I was working for a company that produced after-market TCP/IP stacks.
>>> We had no direct involvement in any Internet R&D. Just a company selling
>>> its wares.  Given how rapidly Internet tech was changing at that time, I
>>> wanted us attending IETF meetings.
>>> 
>>> The IETF initially rejected the request, but I pressed.  Much discussion
>>> ensured, and I believe the decisive comment was Bob Braden's that was
>>> along the lines of "come on folks, it's Dave, and we know him."
>>> 
>>> This was utterly irrelevant logic, but apparently swayed IETF folk
>>> enough for permission to be granted.  So I got to attend.  By the
>>> meeting after that, the floodgates were fully opened, with other vendors
>>> attending.
>>> 
>>> In spite of compelling reasons to motivate one, I remain steadfastly
>>> unapologetic...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> d/
>>> 
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