[ih] QUIC story

[Jorge Amodio]

Just out of curiosity, I never thought about it before. What branch of the
military ran DDN & NIC-DDN ?

-J

On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 3:18 PM Vint Cerf via Internet-history <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> counterexamples:
> https://ftp.arl.army.mil/~mike/bio-long.html
>
> also see Mike St. Johns
>
>
> https://www.ietfjournal.org/interview-with-mike-st-johnes-director-network-implementation-strategies-nominet/
>
> v
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 4:10 PM Barbara Denny via Internet-history <
> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
> >  I guess I will mention in the late 80s, maybe early 90s,  even the Army
> > had some interest in understanding and perhaps participating in the IETF.
> > Besides discussing the IETF, I brought at least one person, probably two,
> > to an IETF meeting so they could see for themselves what went on.  As far
> > as I know they didn't become participants for any length of time. I
> > certainly didn't get any additional contact funds to do more in this
> regard.
> > barbara
> >     On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 12:30:27 PM PDT, Dave Crocker via
> > Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> >
> >  On 6/25/2022 5:11 AM, Jorge Amodio via Internet-history wrote:
> > > I'm not sure where you get your information from, but vendors have been
> > > deeply involved since the early days of the Internet, even ARPANet,
> BBN,
> > > Cisco, DEC, etc, were private companies and "vendors" since their
> > inception
> > > and there has been a constant participation from companies and services
> > > providers for very long time.
> >
> >
> > There was something of a milestone, in this regard, around 1987. Prior
> > to that, vendor participation was from a strongly-linked relationship to
> > am Arpanet/Internet research contractors, or even from aDirect
> > government contract  Permission-by-association, if you will.
> >
> > After that, random commercial representatives were permitted to attend
> > IETF meetings.
> >
> > Not the sort of thing to add to a resume, but I turned out to be the
> > test case that produced this change.
> >
> > I was working for a company that produced after-market TCP/IP stacks.
> > We had no direct involvement in any Internet R&D. Just a company selling
> > its wares.  Given how rapidly Internet tech was changing at that time, I
> > wanted us attending IETF meetings.
> >
> > The IETF initially rejected the request, but I pressed.  Much discussion
> > ensured, and I believe the decisive comment was Bob Braden's that was
> > along the lines of "come on folks, it's Dave, and we know him."
> >
> > This was utterly irrelevant logic, but apparently swayed IETF folk
> > enough for permission to be granted.  So I got to attend.  By the
> > meeting after that, the floodgates were fully opened, with other vendors
> > attending.
> >
> > In spite of compelling reasons to motivate one, I remain steadfastly
> > unapologetic...
> >
> >
> > d/
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