[ih] distributed network control: Usenet

[vinton cerf]

The fuzzball net arrived about 1986 at 50Kb/s - congested quickly and the
IBM/MCI/MERIT version of NSFNET launched in 1988 at 1.5 Mb/s

I am not aware of any involvement of BBN in either the fuzzball network or
the subsequent NSFNET except that presumably Mills implemented EGP. BGP
doesn't arrive until 1989 and as I recall, Yakov Rekhter of IBM and Keith
Loughead at Cisco wrote RFC 1105 describing it.

v


On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 8:02 PM Jack Haverty via Internet-history <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> It's the time frame.   My comment was about the period before EGP was
> created in 1982.   The IETF didn't exist yet.   I don't remember which
> if any of those networks existed before 1982.   But if they did, I think
> they had a single manager.
>
> /Jack
>
>
> On 7/20/21 4:45 PM, Tony Li wrote:
> > No, all of the regionals and other networks were various independent
> organizations. There was no centralization, just the chaos of trying to
> keep things working through the informal network of operator’s personal
> connections. For this, the IETF and NANOG were indispensable.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 20, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Jack Haverty via Internet-history <
> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Weren't those all managed by the same organization or its contractor,
> in the early 80s before EGP?
> >>
> >> I remember that at one point BBN was the contractor managing CSNET
> (Dick Edmiston).   NSFNET started in mid-80s and IIRC was thoroughly
> dominated by Dave Mills' Fuzzballs.  Our experiences when Dave was
> experimenting with connecting his Fuzzies to the core Internet was a
> primary motivator for EGP, which made it possible for Fuzzies to connect
> and do their thing without impacting the core.   BBN had some managerial
> role in NSFNET too IIRC.
> >>
> >> After EGP, and probably more importantly BGP, the world of
> Internetworking changed.
> >>
> >> /Jack
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/20/21 4:03 PM, Miles Fidelman via Internet-history wrote:
> >>>> Jack Haverty wrote:
> >>>>> What I was referencing was a non-technical design decision -- the
> notion
> >>>>> that there shouldn't be any single person, corporation, or
> organization
> >>>>> "managing the network".   The ARPANET, and IIRC all other networks of
> >>>>> the day, were under a single organization's control.
> >>> Really?  NASA SPAN, DOEnet, then CSnet, and then the Supercomputer
> Center Networks, and the NSFnet regionals & Backbone?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
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