[ih] byte order, was Octal vs Hex, not Re: Dotted decimal notation

[the keyboard of geoff goodfellow]

yup, port 21 (octal),
viz. EXCERPTing:
ASSIGNED NUMBERS
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc755
[...]
Specific Assignments:

         Network Standard Functions

         Decimal   Octal     Description                      References
         -------   -----     -----------                      ----------
         1         1         Old Telnet                              [6]
         3         3         Old File Transfer                   [7,8,9]
         5         5         Remote Job Entry                     [1,10]
         7         7         Echo                                   [11]
         9         11        Discard                                [12]
         11        13        Who is on or SYSTAT
         13        15        Date and Time
         15        17        Who is up or NETSTAT
         17        21        Short Text Message
[...]
:D

On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 10:52 AM the keyboard of geoff goodfellow <
geoff at iconia.com> wrote:

> that "one-liner well-known socket" was port 21, yours truly believes... :D
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 10:39 AM John Day <jeanjour at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> There was also a one-liner well-known socket.  ;-)
>>
>> > On Dec 31, 2020, at 15:34, the keyboard of geoff goodfellow via
>> Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > jack, sure thought so that that so called "legend" is Total Fantasy...!
>> >
>> > btw, serial lines connected to the PDP-10's Line Scanner caused an
>> > Interrupt Per Character... the fact that Mazwar (most especially with
>> your
>> > "bandwidth enhancement") became consumer of CPU jives with yours truly's
>> > remembrance of our KA-10 (SRI-AI) when yours truly requested our display
>> > terminal speeds get upped to 9600 baud (from 2400) and was told that
>> wasn't
>> > gonna happen cuz 4 9600 baud terminals going flat out would consume all
>> the
>> > the CPU (and leave nothing for the users programs to run)!
>> >
>> > we did have ONE "terminal" that went at 9600 baud: a
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEC_GT40 vector graphic terminal and
>> when we
>> > downloaded programs to it (it was located in our machine room not to far
>> > from the KA-10's console) you could see the light on the console
>> > corresponding to its Job # be on SOLID -- for a program that was
>> > literally just spewing/typing out the contents of the executable being
>> > swallowed by the GT40.
>> >
>> > now speaking of something that DARPA DID summarily ban: the NCP port 21
>> > "Short Text Message" (dirty) Limerick Server... :D
>> >
>> > geoff
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 9:42 AM Jack Haverty via Internet-history <
>> > internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I just asked this question on a forum of ex-BBN employees, which is
>> >> populated by many of the people who were involved with building and
>> >> operating the ARPANET from its beginning and through the 70s and 80s.
>> >> That elicited answers from the two people who were in charge of the
>> >> ARPANET project through that time, with ARPA as their client/boss, as
>> >> well as engineers who worked on building and operating it.
>> >>
>> >> The consensus -- no such thing as ARPA banning MazeWars over the
>> ARPANET
>> >> actually happened:
>> >>
>> >> "I would have heard about it if it were true.  I was deeply connected
>> >> with ARPA at the time"
>> >>
>> >> So I'd consider that pretty good evidence that the "legend" is fantasy.
>> >>
>> >> MazeWars was (unsuccessfully) banned at MIT-DM as it became a prime
>> >> consumer of CPU and Console time, but that mostly just shifted gaming
>> >> into the wee hours of the day.   No ARPANET involved.
>> >>
>> >> /Jack Haverty
>> >> (MIT-DM 1970-1977; BBN 1977-1990)
>> >>
>> >> On 12/31/20 4:10 AM, Lars Brinkhoff via Internet-history wrote:
>> >>> Geoff Goodfellow wrote:
>> >>>> the MIT PDP-10 reference must be of Al Vezza's MIT-DM host, but yours
>> >> truly
>> >>>> is kinda perplexed over the last sentence of:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Mazewar games between MIT and Stanford were a major data load on the
>> >>>> early Arpanet."
>> >>>>
>> >>>> wondering just what host at Stanford this must have been -- if not
>> >> SU-AI --
>> >>>> which yours truly recalls had a couple of Imlac's -- one of which
>> was at
>> >>>> JMC's (John McCarthy's) house and other at RWW's (Richard
>> Weyhrauch's)
>> >>>> house -- both of which were connected with 1200 baud leased lines...
>> >> hardly
>> >>>> big enough to "contribute" to "a major data load on the early
>> Arpanet."
>> >> --
>> >>>> most especially given that JMC &/ RWW didn't seem to be the mazewar
>> >> playing
>> >>>> kinda folks...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> anyone got more "history" here on this...¿¿¿
>> >>> I have seen this story many times, but no evidence to back it up.
>> >>>
>> >>> It seems DEC WRL's MazeWar for X10/X11/Sunview is one source for the
>> >>> claim.  The manpage says "MazeWar first appeared at MIT in the early
>> >>> 1970s, using IMLAC displays and the ArpaNet network.  Legend has it
>> >>> that, at one point during that period, MazeWar was banned by DARPA
>> from
>> >>> the ArpaNet because half of all the packets in a given month were
>> >>> MazeWar packets flying between Stanford and MIT."
>> >>
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>> >>
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