[ih] Internet-history Digest, Vol 2, Issue 16
the keyboard of geoff goodfellow
geoff at iconia.com
Wed Nov 6 21:10:29 PST 2019
vint, the path for yours truly's Packet radio connection would be the
Datamedia CRT terminal connected to an LSI-11 (host Fernwood) connected to
the Collins Packet Radio in your truly's office in the SRI Building K2079
machine room to the SRI-C3P0 (or SRI-R2D2) PDP-11 gateway resident in the
building 'cross the parking lot which was plugged (via 1822) into one of
the SRI IMPs to which the SRI-KA PDP-10 Tenex was plugged into, viz.:
excerpted from https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc752/?include_text=1:
HOST SRI-C3PO, 3/51,USER,ELF,PDP11,[PKT40,C3PO] ; What about Darth
Vader?
HOST SRI-KA, 0/51,SERVER,TENEX,PDP10,[SRI-TENEX,KA]
HOST SRI-KL,
1/2,SERVER,TOPS-20,PDP10,[SRI,NIC,KL,AIC,SRI-AI,SRI-TWENEX]
HOST SRI-NSC11, 3/2,USER,ELF,PDP11,[NSC11]
HOST SRI-R2D2, 1/51,USER,ELF,PDP11,[PKT34,R2D2] ; or the princess?
HOST SRI-TSC, 0/2,USER,ELF,PDP11,[ARC,ARC-RD]
HOST SRI-UNIX, 2/51,SERVER,UNIX,PDP11,[THX-1145]
HOST SRI-VIS11, 2/2,USER,ELF,PDP11,[VIS11,SRI-CBC11,CBC11]
to get the dates for when these tests were done, generally it was done
when *Mary
Hartman, Mary Hartman <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074021/>* was airing
in its 1976-177 run (sorry, can't remember The Exact Episodes -- as
mentioned Bill Plummer and yours truly stopped the debugging sessions to
watch each night :D)
perhaps you could rope Jim Mathis (author of the LSI-11 terminal client sw
in) or Ron Kunzelman or Keith Klemba in here (since The AWESOME Don Cone
<http://is no longer with us.> is no longer with us on this plane)?
yours truly believes these tests were first done with the BCPL TCP/IP
server logged in sw with the Tenex ICP and PTY's code that Bill Plummer
wrote (and brought up for us) prior to the Macro-10 (PDP-10 Assembly
Language) TCP/IP in the Tenex monitor (kernal) that was then fully
distributed to all.
believe the BCPL TCP/UP server logged in sw was first written/installed by
Bill Plummer on BBNB (BBN-TenexB) and then brought up on SRI (which is why
yours truly had one of those Collins Packet Radio's and an LSI-11 in yours
truly's office at SRI :D).
wouldn't it be logical to assume this Internet testing from PRNET to
ARPANET would have been tried/accomplished before the Rosotti's foray?
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 11:43 PM Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
> geoff,
> thanks -by the way it's Plummer not Plumber.
>
> The first two network test that I knew about was the famous PRNET to
> ARPANET transfer from Rosotti's in 1976 - when were your tests done and
> what exactly was the path. There would have to have been a TCP (or
> IP)-aware gateway from PRNET into ARPANET to qualify as an Internet test.
>
> v
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 6:47 PM the keyboard of geoff goodfellow <
> geoff at iconia.com> wrote:
>
>> vint, as best yours truly can recall, prior to TCP being integrated into
>> the Tenex monitor, there were several BCPL user level programs written by
>> Bill Plumber at BBN that used a (new at the time) ICP mechanism to
>> communicate between them.
>>
>> there were four programs (TCP, Sink, ECHO O, and a telnet server that
>> used PTY's -- rather than NVT's) to support remote user logins. There was
>> also a TCP User Telnet program that allows outward TCP telneting ICP'ng to
>> the user TCP program.
>>
>> each of these programs (TCP, Sink, ECHO O, and a telnet server that used
>> PTY's) were auto started at system boot time by using SYSJOB's "CRJOB"
>> mechanism to log each of them in "DETACHED" under WHEEL'd user TCP.
>>
>> Bill Plumber then later came out to SRI to install either this user TCP
>> stuff (and the ICP and PTY monitor code) or later when TCP was integrated
>> into the monitor (in PDP-10 Macro Assembly Language) on what was originally
>> SRI-AI, then SRI-KA, then DARCOM-KA (where the NSW [National Software
>> Works] also ran).
>>
>> as part of this installation and debugging process we would summarily
>> stop this work each night to watch the latest episode of *Mary Hartman,
>> Mary Hartman* on a portable TV yours truly brought in...
>>
>> as you may recall, yours truly had one of the Collins Packet Radio's with
>> the LSI-11 (hostname Fernwood) attached to it in yours truly's office at
>> the time which would look out at the PRNet antenna mast across the SRI
>> parking lot to the building where the SRI-C3P0 and SRI-R2D2 Gateway PDP-11
>> resided.
>>
>> yours truly believes that the SRI Bay Area PRNet LSI-11 to Tenex Host
>> communications first occurred using Bill Plumbers Tenex User level BCPL TCP
>> stuff before any USC-ISI (Tenex Monitor integrated TCP) was done.
>>
>> unfortunately, neither Bill Plumber or Ray Tomlinson are around
>> to corroborate/chime in on this, so maybe Dan Lynch, Jim Mathis (or even
>> Ron Kunzelman, Keith Klemba, Don Cone could), but don't know if they are on
>> the Internet-History list or not (but clearly should be)...
>>
>> ah, those were The Fun Days... :-)
>>
>> From: the tty of Geoffrey S. Goodfellow
>> GEOFF at SRI-AI
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:54 PM Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
>>
>>> July (or at least summer?) 1976 between the Packet Radio network mobile
>>> host (LSI-11) and probably a host at USC-ISI on the ARPANET. Nov 22, 1977
>>> was the first 3 net test, adding the Packet Satellite Network
>>>
>>> vint
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 5:38 PM Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Party pooper!
>>>>
>>>> When was the first actual inter-network message sent using packet
>>>> technology?
>>>>
>>>> Joly MacFie
>>>> 218 565 9365 <(218)%20565-9365>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 5:13 PM Jay Hauben <hauben at columbia.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> 50 years ago the first data was sent between two ARPANET IMPS. The
>>>>> ARPANET was a forerunner of the Internet but was not itself an internet. It
>>>>> was a single network not an internetwork.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take care.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jay
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 3:00 PM <
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>>>>>> Subject: [ih] WEBCAST TODAY: 50 Years Later, Looking Back at the
>>>>>> Internet?s Birth / Celebrando el aniversario 50 de Internet
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>>>>>> A brief follow up to last week's major do
>>>>>> <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/internet50> in LA, with a
>>>>>> latin
>>>>>> flavor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ISOC Live posted: "On Tuesday 5 November at 17:00 UTC (12:00 EST)
>>>>>> LACNIC
>>>>>> will commemorate the 50th anniversary of the first packet sent over
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Internet with a webinar: 50 Years Later, Looking Back at the
>>>>>> Internet's
>>>>>> Birth. LACNIC's special guests will be three of the engin"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On *Tuesday 5 November* at *17:00 UTC* (12:00 EST) LACNIC will
>>>>>> commemorate
>>>>>> the 50th anniversary of the first packet sent over the Internet with a
>>>>>> webinar: *50 Years Later, Looking Back at the Internet's Birth*.
>>>>>> LACNIC's
>>>>>> special guests will be three of the engineers behind that
>>>>>> achievement: *Leonard
>>>>>> Kleinrock*, *Charles Kline*, and *Steve Crocker*. The webinar will be
>>>>>> simulcast, in both English and Spanish, on the *Internet Society
>>>>>> Livestream
>>>>>> Channels <https://isoc.live/>*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *VIEW ON LIVESTREAM:
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>>>>>> <http://livestream.com/internetsociety/internet50lacnic> (ENGLISH)
>>>>>> VIEW ON
>>>>>> USTREAM: https://video.ibm.com/channel/DKWsjfRLtPe
>>>>>> <https://video.ibm.com/channel/DKWsjfRLtPe> (ENGLISH)*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El *martes 5 de noviembre* a las *17:00 UTC* (12:00 EST), LACNIC
>>>>>> conmemorar? el 50 aniversario del primer paquete enviado por Internet
>>>>>> con
>>>>>> un webinar: *Celebrando el aniversario 50 de Internet*. Los invitados
>>>>>> especiales de LACNIC ser?n tres de los ingenieros detr?s de ese
>>>>>> logro: *Leonard
>>>>>> Kleinrock*, *Charles Kline* y *Steve Crocker*. El webinar se
>>>>>> transmitir?
>>>>>> simult?neamente, en ingl?s y espa?ol, en los canales de* Internet
>>>>>> Society
>>>>>> Livestream <https://isoc.live/>*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *VIEW ON LIVESTREAM:
>>>>>> http://livestream.com/internetsociety2/internet50lacnic
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>>>>>> <https://video.ibm.com/channel/wJD3jzyMV7X> (ESPA?OL)*
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> *TWITTER: @LACNIC #Internet50 <http://bit.ly/34A3ijl>*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Permalink*
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