[ih] Internet-history Digest, Vol 2, Issue 16

Barbara Denny b_a_denny at yahoo.com
Wed Nov 6 23:01:51 PST 2019 

 FYI, I just looked online and the plaque is still at Rossotti's. There is an article from October about the reopening of Zott's after extensive work on the property.  New owners bought it after the death of the previous owner, and the article specifically mentions keeping the plaque.  I guess I need to go and find it again as the article only mentions the year of the test.
barbara
    On Wednesday, November 6, 2019, 09:11:32 PM PST, the keyboard of geoff goodfellow <geoff at iconia.com> wrote:  
 
 vint, the path for yours truly's Packet radio connection would be the
Datamedia CRT terminal connected to an LSI-11 (host Fernwood) connected to
the Collins Packet Radio in your truly's office in the SRI Building K2079
machine room to the SRI-C3P0 (or SRI-R2D2) PDP-11 gateway resident in the
building 'cross the parking lot which was plugged (via 1822) into one of
the SRI IMPs to which the SRI-KA PDP-10 Tenex was plugged into, viz.:

excerpted from https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc752/?include_text=1:

HOST SRI-C3PO,          3/51,USER,ELF,PDP11,[PKT40,C3PO] ; What about Darth
Vader?
HOST SRI-KA,            0/51,SERVER,TENEX,PDP10,[SRI-TENEX,KA]
HOST SRI-KL,
 1/2,SERVER,TOPS-20,PDP10,[SRI,NIC,KL,AIC,SRI-AI,SRI-TWENEX]
HOST SRI-NSC11,        3/2,USER,ELF,PDP11,[NSC11]
HOST SRI-R2D2,          1/51,USER,ELF,PDP11,[PKT34,R2D2] ; or the princess?
HOST SRI-TSC,          0/2,USER,ELF,PDP11,[ARC,ARC-RD]
HOST SRI-UNIX,          2/51,SERVER,UNIX,PDP11,[THX-1145]
HOST SRI-VIS11,        2/2,USER,ELF,PDP11,[VIS11,SRI-CBC11,CBC11]


to get the dates for when these tests were done, generally it was done
when *Mary
Hartman, Mary Hartman <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074021/>* was airing
in its 1976-177 run (sorry, can't remember The Exact Episodes -- as
mentioned Bill Plummer and yours truly stopped the debugging sessions to
watch each night :D)

perhaps you could rope Jim Mathis (author of the LSI-11 terminal client sw
in) or Ron Kunzelman or Keith Klemba in here (since The AWESOME Don Cone
<http://is no longer with us.> is no longer with us on this plane)?

yours truly believes these tests were first done with the BCPL TCP/IP
server logged in sw with the Tenex ICP and PTY's code that Bill Plummer
wrote (and brought up for us) prior to the Macro-10 (PDP-10 Assembly
Language) TCP/IP in the Tenex monitor (kernal) that was then fully
distributed to all.

believe the BCPL TCP/UP server logged in sw was first written/installed by
Bill Plummer on BBNB (BBN-TenexB) and then brought up on SRI (which is why
yours truly had one of those Collins Packet Radio's and an LSI-11 in yours
truly's office at SRI :D).

wouldn't it be logical to assume this Internet testing from PRNET to
ARPANET would have been tried/accomplished before the Rosotti's foray?


On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 11:43 PM Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:

> geoff,
> thanks -by the way it's Plummer not Plumber.
>
> The first two network test that I knew about was the famous PRNET to
> ARPANET transfer from Rosotti's in 1976 - when were your tests done and
> what exactly was the path. There would have to have been a TCP (or
> IP)-aware gateway from PRNET into ARPANET to qualify as an Internet test.
>
> v
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 6:47 PM the keyboard of geoff goodfellow <
> geoff at iconia.com> wrote:
>
>> vint, as best yours truly can recall, prior to TCP being integrated into
>> the Tenex monitor, there were several BCPL user level programs written by
>> Bill Plumber at BBN that used a (new at the time) ICP mechanism to
>> communicate between them.
>>
>> there were four programs (TCP, Sink, ECHO O, and a telnet server that
>> used PTY's -- rather than NVT's) to support remote user logins.  There was
>> also a TCP User Telnet program that allows outward TCP telneting ICP'ng to
>> the user TCP program.
>>
>> each of these programs (TCP, Sink, ECHO O, and a telnet server that used
>> PTY's) were auto started at system boot time by using SYSJOB's "CRJOB"
>> mechanism to log each of them in "DETACHED" under WHEEL'd user TCP.
>>
>> Bill Plumber then later came out to SRI to install either this user TCP
>> stuff (and the ICP and PTY monitor code) or later when TCP was integrated
>> into the monitor (in PDP-10 Macro Assembly Language) on what was originally
>> SRI-AI, then SRI-KA, then DARCOM-KA (where the NSW [National Software
>> Works] also ran).
>>
>> as part of this installation and debugging process we would summarily
>> stop this work each night to watch the latest episode of *Mary Hartman,
>> Mary Hartman* on a portable TV yours truly brought in...
>>
>> as you may recall, yours truly had one of the Collins Packet Radio's with
>> the LSI-11 (hostname Fernwood) attached to it in yours truly's office at
>> the time which would look out at the PRNet antenna mast across the SRI
>> parking lot to the building where the SRI-C3P0 and SRI-R2D2 Gateway PDP-11
>> resided.
>>
>> yours truly believes that the SRI Bay Area PRNet LSI-11 to Tenex Host
>> communications first occurred using Bill Plumbers Tenex User level BCPL TCP
>> stuff before any USC-ISI (Tenex Monitor integrated TCP) was done.
>>
>> unfortunately, neither Bill Plumber or Ray Tomlinson are around
>> to corroborate/chime in on this, so maybe Dan Lynch, Jim Mathis (or even
>> Ron Kunzelman, Keith Klemba, Don Cone could), but don't know if they are on
>> the Internet-History list or not (but clearly should be)...
>>
>> ah, those were The Fun Days... :-)
>>
>> From: the tty of Geoffrey S. Goodfellow
>> GEOFF at SRI-AI
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:54 PM Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
>>
>>> July (or at least summer?) 1976 between the Packet Radio network mobile
>>> host (LSI-11) and probably a host at USC-ISI on the ARPANET. Nov 22, 1977
>>> was the first 3 net test, adding the Packet Satellite Network
>>>
>>> vint
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 5:38 PM Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Party pooper!
>>>>
>>>> When was the first actual inter-network message sent using packet
>>>> technology?
>>>>
>>>> Joly MacFie
>>>> 218 565 9365 <(218)%20565-9365>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 5:13 PM Jay Hauben <hauben at columbia.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> 50 years ago the first data was sent between two ARPANET IMPS. The
>>>>> ARPANET was a forerunner of the Internet but was not itself an internet. It
>>>>> was a single network not an internetwork.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take care.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jay
>>>>>
>>>>>
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