[ih] Internet/Wireless Principle of Levelness

Sun Nov 10 22:58:36 PST 2019

There appears to have been something of an of an open-source epiphany at
AT&T when it comes to 5G.

https://about.att.com/story/2019/open_compute_project.html

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 12:31 PM Andrew G. Malis via Internet-history <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> Geoff,
>
> No problem. However, during my stint at Verizon, we certainly weren't
> scared to mix and max infrastructure from multiple vendors where it made
> sense to us. We had a huge interoperability lab where we
> satisfied ourselves that it would work in the field before deploying, of
> course. Multi-vendor interoperability was often an RFP requirement.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 10:47 AM the keyboard of geoff goodfellow <
> geoff at iconia.com> wrote:
>
> > andy, sorry for the confusion/ambiguity -- yours truly was NOT
> > referencing/taking about subscriber equipment (i.e. phones), but rather
> the
> > various infrastructure components such as base stations, switches and the
> > other assorted gizzards et al. that comprise cellular and other wireless
> > (data) networks.
> >
> > geoff
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 5:14 AM Andrew G. Malis <agmalis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Not true, at least now in the US. You can buy an unlocked phone of
> >> your choice (as I did), and as long as it supports the required
> >> frequencies, you can just get a SIM from any of the US carriers for the
> >> phone. If you want to use a carrier's installment plan to pay for the
> >> phone, then they have the right to give it to you SIM-locked. Once it's
> >> been paid off, you can request the carrier to remove the SIM lock.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Andy
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 5:53 PM the keyboard of geoff goodfellow via
> >> Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> this interesting cuz The Big Wireless infrastructure vendors would
> (still
> >>> do?) blackmail/extort and hold their cellular carrier customers hostage
> >>> to
> >>> using Only THEIR OWN Equipment under the threat that if any
> >>> not-of-their-own manufactured/provided/sold gear was
> "attached"/used/put
> >>> in
> >>> place of their own they would summarily VOID the maintenance and
> >>> warranty thereof...!
> >>>
> >>> as a result, in the evolution of wireless carriage: a number of co's
> that
> >>> had built a faster, better, cheaper (and more spectrally
> >>> beneficial/efficient!) "mouse traps" died on the vine.
> >>>
> >>> this one wonders how Louis Pouzin reacted to/when his PTT -- France
> >>> Telecom
> >>> --unleashed The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel on his
> country...
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 9:25 AM Alex McKenzie via Internet-history <
> >>> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >  I think that for the "principle of levelness", as for so much else
> >>> about
> >>> > the Internet, credit belongs most strongly to Louis Pouzin.  For
> >>> Louis, the
> >>> > biggest fear of walled gardens was the strength of the European PTTs.
> >>> I
> >>> > remember many talks he gave stating that, if they were allowed, they
> >>> would
> >>> > allocate to themselves the right to all the intelligence in any
> >>> network,
> >>> > rather than simply the carriage of bits.  Louis worked tirelessly for
> >>> > internet design that allowed multiple players.
> >>> > Cheers,Alex
> >>> >
> >>> >     On Saturday, November 9, 2019, 2:10:53 PM EST, Jack Haverty via
> >>> > Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >  I don't know whether Bob created that Internet Principle of
> Levelness
> >>> or
> >>> > if it came earlier, but he's the one who got me on board.  That led
> to
> >>> > EGP as a key new element of the Internet architecture as a first tool
> >>> to
> >>> > enable multi-vendor implementation.
> >>> >
> >>> >    <snip>
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Geoff.Goodfellow at iconia.com
> >>> living as The Truth is True
> >>> http://geoff.livejournal.com
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> >
> >
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