[ih] Internet/Wireless Principle of Levelness

Mon Nov 11 17:56:38 PST 2019

I also have Comcast (Nevada City, CA), for Voice, TV, and Internet
@~150Mbps (higher speeds available at more $s but why bother), all
delivered over the coax feed into the house.  Much much better than the
Direcway/DirecTV/Exede for satellite TV/Internet and ATT/landline for
voice at previous residence.

However, all 3 Comcast services go away almost exactly 3 hours after the
electric power in CA is shut off, and come back when the power returns,
making my UPS/battery/generator setup that keeps all of *my* equipment
running less useful.  With 5 separate recent data points it's been
pretty consistent.   I'm guessing that says how long Comcast's batteries
last....

There is more to Internet services than Speed.  Latency and Reliability
come to mind, but nobody I've found specs those.

/Jack

On 11/11/19 4:15 PM, Dan Lynch wrote:
> I have Comcast up here for Internet. Dish for regular TV. But Netflix
> and Prime video go over Comcast. When I had T1 in the 90s I think it
> hooked into Covad!  
>
> Dan
>
> Cell 650-776-7313
>
>> On Nov 11, 2019, at 1:15 PM, the keyboard of geoff goodfellow
>> <geoff at iconia.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Dan & Jack: am curious to know WHAT kind (Cable, DSL, Fiber, ...?) of
>> Internet connections y'all have and from WHICH providers?
>>
>> pretty clear/sure neither of you have satellite (as yours truly dose
>> here on The Big Island for backup when the "primary" cable Spectrum
>> "service" *reliably goes out* -- almost monthly -- so far twice
>> already this month and once last month :-/) at which time even a
>> 700-1000 ms latency over the satellite link is Most Welcomed! :D
>>
>> geoff
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 10:50 AM Dan Lynch via Internet-history
>> <internet-history at elists.isoc.org
>> <mailto:internet-history at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Or you could have just used a kid. 15 or so years ago I had a 12
>>     year old son who bounced back and forth between the home in the
>>     Napa Valley and the one in Los Altos. We had T1 service at both
>>     places (hot stuff in those days) and he was a gamer,of course. 
>>     He could/would not play certain games in Napa because the latency
>>     was over 30 ms!  Not so in Los Altos. He knew. And yes, for a
>>     twitchy kid 30 ms was everything.
>>
>>     As for TV service up here I have 50 megabit service and it is
>>     excellent except for the occasional glitch like Jack described.
>>     And it may persist for a few minutes, then goes away for days. I
>>     tried calling to complain a few years ago, but nobody home..... 
>>     We have won?
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>
>>     Dan
>>
>>     Cell 650-776-7313
>>
>>     > On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Jack Haverty via Internet-history
>>     <internet-history at elists.isoc.org
>>     <mailto:internet-history at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     > On 11/11/19 8:31 AM, Dave Taht via Internet-history wrote:
>>     >
>>     >> And - of course! it's got the "deep buffers" providers require.
>>     >
>>     > I'm just a User now.  Just last year I helped a friend, another
>>     User,
>>     > figure out why his "gaming" app, which depends on interactive
>>     behavior
>>     > across the net, was sometimes unusable.  I was curious, since I
>>     also
>>     > sometimes see visual and audio artifacts on streaming TV
>>     content, making
>>     > TV sometimes similarly unusable, even though I have 150+ Mb/sec
>>     internet
>>     > service.   We Users tend to think "Oh, the net's broken again,
>>     they're
>>     > probably working on fixing it".
>>     >
>>     > Using the ancient network management tools, we tracked the
>>     cause down to
>>     > latency.  The typical latency we measured across the net was
>>     100 msec or
>>     > less.  But occasionally it would jump to several seconds and
>>     stay there
>>     > for a while.   I was surprised to see that zero packets were
>>     being lost,
>>     > but many were delayed as much as 30 seconds.  Without the
>>     ability to dig
>>     > inside the boxes, I can only speculate that such behavior at the IP
>>     > level was what made the gaming app unusable, and could cause those
>>     > artifacts I see in my TV video and audio.
>>     >
>>     > My friend tried complaining to his ISPs' tech support, but they
>>     all said
>>     > their service was working fine.  Perhaps that is a consequence
>>     of the
>>     > "Levelness" that now makes Users' applications involve many
>>     different
>>     > service and equipment providers?
>>     >
>>     > Is this latency how Users now see the effects of those "deep
>>     buffers"? 
>>     > Why would providers require a feature that makes their customers
>>     > unhappy.....?
>>     >
>>     > I'm still just being curious about the History of the Internet,
>>     > especially how its service evolved -- as seen by the Users.
>>     >
>>     > /Jack
>>     >
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