[ih] Internet/Wireless Principle of Levelness

Mon Nov 11 18:22:29 PST 2019

your power goes out and so dose the Cable Internet 3 hours later is Exactly
Why yours truly has an Viasat Exede satellite backup (as well as backup
power for it) so that when the power AND/OR the cable internet goes down
it's just the push of a button on an Ethernet Switch to fallback/roller
over to the backup powered satellite connection and stay connected/on line.

[also -- in addition to the above Internet and power vagaries (as well as
the "maybe-to-no" cellular "coverage" around here) yours truly also packs
an Inmarsat IsatPhone 2 which has come in handy a number of times during
various "outages"/act(s) of God over the last dozen years. :D]

geoff

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 3:56 PM Jack Haverty <jack at 3kitty.org> wrote:

> I also have Comcast (Nevada City, CA), for Voice, TV, and Internet
> @~150Mbps (higher speeds available at more $s but why bother), all
> delivered over the coax feed into the house.  Much much better than the
> Direcway/DirecTV/Exede for satellite TV/Internet and ATT/landline for voice
> at previous residence.
>
> However, all 3 Comcast services go away almost exactly 3 hours after the
> electric power in CA is shut off, and come back when the power returns,
> making my UPS/battery/generator setup that keeps all of *my* equipment
> running less useful.  With 5 separate recent data points it's been pretty
> consistent.   I'm guessing that says how long Comcast's batteries last....
>
> There is more to Internet services than Speed.  Latency and Reliability
> come to mind, but nobody I've found specs those.
>
> /Jack
> On 11/11/19 4:15 PM, Dan Lynch wrote:
>
> I have Comcast up here for Internet. Dish for regular TV. But Netflix and
> Prime video go over Comcast. When I had T1 in the 90s I think it hooked
> into Covad!
>
> Dan
>
> Cell 650-776-7313
>
> On Nov 11, 2019, at 1:15 PM, the keyboard of geoff goodfellow
> <geoff at iconia.com> <geoff at iconia.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Dan & Jack: am curious to know WHAT kind (Cable, DSL, Fiber, ...?) of
> Internet connections y'all have and from WHICH providers?
>
> pretty clear/sure neither of you have satellite (as yours truly dose here
> on The Big Island for backup when the "primary" cable Spectrum "service" *reliably
> goes out* -- almost monthly -- so far twice already this month and once
> last month :-/) at which time even a 700-1000 ms latency over the satellite
> link is Most Welcomed! :D
>
> geoff
>
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 10:50 AM Dan Lynch via Internet-history <
> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
>> Or you could have just used a kid. 15 or so years ago I had a 12 year old
>> son who bounced back and forth between the home in the Napa Valley and the
>> one in Los Altos. We had T1 service at both places (hot stuff in those
>> days) and he was a gamer,of course.  He could/would not play certain games
>> in Napa because the latency was over 30 ms!  Not so in Los Altos. He knew.
>> And yes, for a twitchy kid 30 ms was everything.
>>
>> As for TV service up here I have 50 megabit service and it is excellent
>> except for the occasional glitch like Jack described. And it may persist
>> for a few minutes, then goes away for days. I tried calling to complain a
>> few years ago, but nobody home.....  We have won?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> Cell 650-776-7313
>>
>> > On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Jack Haverty via Internet-history <
>> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 11/11/19 8:31 AM, Dave Taht via Internet-history wrote:
>> >
>> >> And - of course! it's got the "deep buffers" providers require.
>> >
>> > I'm just a User now.  Just last year I helped a friend, another User,
>> > figure out why his "gaming" app, which depends on interactive behavior
>> > across the net, was sometimes unusable.  I was curious, since I also
>> > sometimes see visual and audio artifacts on streaming TV content, making
>> > TV sometimes similarly unusable, even though I have 150+ Mb/sec internet
>> > service.   We Users tend to think "Oh, the net's broken again, they're
>> > probably working on fixing it".
>> >
>> > Using the ancient network management tools, we tracked the cause down to
>> > latency.  The typical latency we measured across the net was 100 msec or
>> > less.  But occasionally it would jump to several seconds and stay there
>> > for a while.   I was surprised to see that zero packets were being lost,
>> > but many were delayed as much as 30 seconds.  Without the ability to dig
>> > inside the boxes, I can only speculate that such behavior at the IP
>> > level was what made the gaming app unusable, and could cause those
>> > artifacts I see in my TV video and audio.
>> >
>> > My friend tried complaining to his ISPs' tech support, but they all said
>> > their service was working fine.  Perhaps that is a consequence of the
>> > "Levelness" that now makes Users' applications involve many different
>> > service and equipment providers?
>> >
>> > Is this latency how Users now see the effects of those "deep buffers"?
>> > Why would providers require a feature that makes their customers
>> > unhappy.....?
>> >
>> > I'm still just being curious about the History of the Internet,
>> > especially how its service evolved -- as seen by the Users.
>> >
>> > /Jack
>> >
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