<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">your power goes out and so dose the Cable Internet 3 hours later is Exactly Why yours truly has an Viasat Exede satellite backup (as well as backup power for it) so that when the power AND/OR the cable internet goes down it's just the push of a button on an Ethernet Switch to fallback/roller over to the backup powered satellite connection and stay connected/on line.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">[also -- in addition to the above Internet and power vagaries (as well as the "maybe-to-no" cellular "coverage" around here) yours truly also packs an Inmarsat IsatPhone 2 which has come in handy a number of times during various "outages"/act(s) of God over the last dozen years. :D]</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">geoff</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 3:56 PM Jack Haverty <<a href="mailto:jack@3kitty.org">jack@3kitty.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I also have Comcast (Nevada City, CA), for Voice, TV, and
Internet @~150Mbps (higher speeds available at more $s but why
bother), all delivered over the coax feed into the house. Much
much better than the Direcway/DirecTV/Exede for satellite
TV/Internet and ATT/landline for voice at previous residence.</p>
<p>However, all 3 Comcast services go away almost exactly 3 hours
after the electric power in CA is shut off, and come back when the
power returns, making my UPS/battery/generator setup that keeps
all of *my* equipment running less useful. With 5 separate recent
data points it's been pretty consistent. I'm guessing that says
how long Comcast's batteries last....</p>
<p>There is more to Internet services than Speed. Latency and
Reliability come to mind, but nobody I've found specs those.<br>
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<p>/Jack<br>
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I have Comcast up here for Internet. Dish for regular TV. But
Netflix and Prime video go over Comcast. When I had T1 in the 90s
I think it hooked into Covad! <br>
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& Jack: am curious to know WHAT kind (Cable, DSL,
Fiber, ...?) of Internet connections y'all have and from
WHICH providers?</div>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">pretty
clear/sure neither of you have satellite (as yours truly
dose here on The Big Island for backup when the
"primary" cable Spectrum "service" <b>reliably goes out</b> --
almost monthly -- so far twice already this month and
once last month :-/) at which time even a 700-1000 ms
latency over the satellite link is Most Welcomed! :D</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at
10:50 AM Dan Lynch via Internet-history <<a href="mailto:internet-history@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">internet-history@elists.isoc.org</a>>
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just used a kid. 15 or so years ago I had a 12 year old
son who bounced back and forth between the home in the
Napa Valley and the one in Los Altos. We had T1 service
at both places (hot stuff in those days) and he was a
gamer,of course. He could/would not play certain games
in Napa because the latency was over 30 ms! Not so in
Los Altos. He knew. And yes, for a twitchy kid 30 ms was
everything. <br>
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As for TV service up here I have 50 megabit service and
it is excellent except for the occasional glitch like
Jack described. And it may persist for a few minutes,
then goes away for days. I tried calling to complain a
few years ago, but nobody home..... We have won?<br>
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> On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Jack Haverty via
Internet-history <<a href="mailto:internet-history@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">internet-history@elists.isoc.org</a>>
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> On 11/11/19 8:31 AM, Dave Taht via
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>> And - of course! it's got the "deep buffers"
providers require.<br>
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> I'm just a User now. Just last year I helped a
friend, another User,<br>
> figure out why his "gaming" app, which depends on
interactive behavior<br>
> across the net, was sometimes unusable. I was
curious, since I also<br>
> sometimes see visual and audio artifacts on
streaming TV content, making<br>
> TV sometimes similarly unusable, even though I have
150+ Mb/sec internet<br>
> service. We Users tend to think "Oh, the net's
broken again, they're<br>
> probably working on fixing it".<br>
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> Using the ancient network management tools, we
tracked the cause down to<br>
> latency. The typical latency we measured across
the net was 100 msec or<br>
> less. But occasionally it would jump to several
seconds and stay there<br>
> for a while. I was surprised to see that zero
packets were being lost,<br>
> but many were delayed as much as 30 seconds.
Without the ability to dig<br>
> inside the boxes, I can only speculate that such
behavior at the IP<br>
> level was what made the gaming app unusable, and
could cause those<br>
> artifacts I see in my TV video and audio. <br>
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> My friend tried complaining to his ISPs' tech
support, but they all said<br>
> their service was working fine. Perhaps that is a
consequence of the<br>
> "Levelness" that now makes Users' applications
involve many different<br>
> service and equipment providers?<br>
> <br>
> Is this latency how Users now see the effects of
those "deep buffers"? <br>
> Why would providers require a feature that makes
their customers<br>
> unhappy.....?<br>
> <br>
> I'm still just being curious about the History of
the Internet,<br>
> especially how its service evolved -- as seen by
the Users.<br>
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> /Jack<br>
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