[ih] Teco still lives on all hail the internet - was hourglass

[Clem Cole]

http://www.copters.com/teco.html

PC started writing this at Masscomp, his functional model (or commands) was
based the PDP-10 version.

He still maintains it.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 9:08 AM Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com> wrote:

> Emacs is definitely not dead.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 6, 2019, at 7:20 AM, John Day <jeanjour at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> ;-) lol,
>
> yea, teco and emacs!  ;-)
>
> One of my biggest complaints is cryptic user interfaces and those two were
> pretty close to the top of the list.
>
> But there were a lot of people who regaled in being teco and emacs experts.
>
> On Jul 6, 2019, at 07:08, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
>
> many mourn the demise of TECO....
>
> :-)
>
> v
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:46 AM John Day <jeanjour at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> There was a technical part. I thought it was mostly technical.  There was
>> a real attempt to come up with protocols to make resource sharing a lot
>> more seamless beyond RJE and just logging in to another system as a
>> timesharing user. Things to facilitate running a distributed program over
>> more than one machine, etc.  There were probably 5 or 6 new protocols being
>> proposed to develop.  I don’t remember what they were now, but could dig it
>> out.
>>
>> The one I do remember from the first meeting was, that someone proposed
>> that we needed a common editor. (Remember the ‘my editor’s better than your
>> editor! debates’?), ;-)
>>
>> I remember thinking ‘o, good grief given the debates we had over FTP,
>> this is going to go forever!’ Padlipsky piped up and said, ’The example
>> PL/1 program in the Multics Programmers Manual is a simple editor. Lets
>> just use that.’ The reaction was, 'sure why not' and the discussion was
>> over in minutes. Total shock.  And within a few weeks there were NETEDs all
>> over the ’Net.  (And I don’t think any of them were exactly the same.) ;-)
>> They just couldn’t resist the temptation to ‘improve’ it.  ;-)
>>
>> Take care,
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 23:59, Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks.  Key word lobbying.  I didn’t see anything technical.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:56 PM Dave Crocker <dhc at dcrocker.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/5/2019 7:24 PM, Steve Crocker wrote:
>>> > With apology, what was USING?
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:23 PM John Day <jeanjour at comcast.net
>>> > <mailto:jeanjour at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> >     If collaboration of people was one of the main goals, why was USING
>>> >     turned off? That seemed to be a hot bed of collaboration with great
>>> >     potential.
>>>
>>>
>>> USING was the Users Interest Network Group.  I co-chaired it with Nancy
>>> Neigus, and the 'sponsorship' of Craig Fields, then of Arpa:
>>>
>>>       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc585/
>>>
>>> It was yet-another very early and spontaneous effort, with an initial
>>> task of figuring what it was for.
>>>
>>> The RFC summarized this as:
>>>
>>>     The group will devote itself to lobbying on behalf of user interests,
>>>     to promoting and facilitating resource sharing, to improving user
>>>     interfaces (support), and to studies of standardization.  The
>>>     ultimate goal will be provide users identification of, and
>>>     facilitated access to, whatever resources on the Network they might
>>>     wish to use.
>>>
>>> I've seen various explanations of why we shut down, but my own
>>> recollection is that we simply could not gain enough traction.  That is,
>>> not a broad enough based of community interest.
>>>
>>> d/
>>> --
>>> Dave Crocker
>>> Brandenburg InternetWorking
>>> bbiw.net
>>>
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