[ih] Hourglass model question

[John Day]

;-) lol, 

yea, teco and emacs!  ;-)

One of my biggest complaints is cryptic user interfaces and those two were pretty close to the top of the list.

But there were a lot of people who regaled in being teco and emacs experts.

> On Jul 6, 2019, at 07:08, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
> 
> many mourn the demise of TECO....
> 
> :-)
> 
> v
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> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:46 AM John Day <jeanjour at comcast.net <mailto:jeanjour at comcast.net>> wrote:
> There was a technical part. I thought it was mostly technical.  There was a real attempt to come up with protocols to make resource sharing a lot more seamless beyond RJE and just logging in to another system as a timesharing user. Things to facilitate running a distributed program over more than one machine, etc.  There were probably 5 or 6 new protocols being proposed to develop.  I don’t remember what they were now, but could dig it out.
> 
> The one I do remember from the first meeting was, that someone proposed that we needed a common editor. (Remember the ‘my editor’s better than your editor! debates’?), ;-) 
> 
> I remember thinking ‘o, good grief given the debates we had over FTP, this is going to go forever!’ Padlipsky piped up and said, ’The example PL/1 program in the Multics Programmers Manual is a simple editor. Lets just use that.’ The reaction was, 'sure why not' and the discussion was over in minutes. Total shock.  And within a few weeks there were NETEDs all over the ’Net.  (And I don’t think any of them were exactly the same.) ;-) They just couldn’t resist the temptation to ‘improve’ it.  ;-)
> 
> Take care,
> John
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 23:59, Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com <mailto:steve at shinkuro.com>> wrote:
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>> Thanks.  Key word lobbying.  I didn’t see anything technical.
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:56 PM Dave Crocker <dhc at dcrocker.net <mailto:dhc at dcrocker.net>> wrote:
>> On 7/5/2019 7:24 PM, Steve Crocker wrote:
>> > With apology, what was USING?
>> > 
>> > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:23 PM John Day <jeanjour at comcast.net <mailto:jeanjour at comcast.net> 
>> > <mailto:jeanjour at comcast.net <mailto:jeanjour at comcast.net>>> wrote:
>> ...
>> >     If collaboration of people was one of the main goals, why was USING
>> >     turned off? That seemed to be a hot bed of collaboration with great
>> >     potential.
>> 
>> 
>> USING was the Users Interest Network Group.  I co-chaired it with Nancy 
>> Neigus, and the 'sponsorship' of Craig Fields, then of Arpa:
>> 
>>       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc585/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc585/>
>> 
>> It was yet-another very early and spontaneous effort, with an initial 
>> task of figuring what it was for.
>> 
>> The RFC summarized this as:
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>>     The group will devote itself to lobbying on behalf of user interests,
>>     to promoting and facilitating resource sharing, to improving user
>>     interfaces (support), and to studies of standardization.  The
>>     ultimate goal will be provide users identification of, and
>>     facilitated access to, whatever resources on the Network they might
>>     wish to use.
>> 
>> I've seen various explanations of why we shut down, but my own 
>> recollection is that we simply could not gain enough traction.  That is, 
>> not a broad enough based of community interest.
>> 
>> d/
>> -- 
>> Dave Crocker
>> Brandenburg InternetWorking
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