<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">;-) lol, <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">yea, teco and emacs! ;-)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">One of my biggest complaints is cryptic user interfaces and those two were pretty close to the top of the list.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But there were a lot of people who regaled in being teco and emacs experts.<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 6, 2019, at 07:08, Vint Cerf <<a href="mailto:vint@google.com" class="">vint@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">many mourn the demise of TECO....<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">:-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">v</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:46 AM John Day <<a href="mailto:jeanjour@comcast.net" class="">jeanjour@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="">There was a technical part. I thought it was mostly technical. There was a real attempt to come up with protocols to make resource sharing a lot more seamless beyond RJE and just logging in to another system as a timesharing user. Things to facilitate running a distributed program over more than one machine, etc. There were probably 5 or 6 new protocols being proposed to develop. I don’t remember what they were now, but could dig it out.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The one I do remember from the first meeting was, that someone proposed that we needed a common editor. (Remember the ‘my editor’s better than your editor! debates’?), ;-) </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I remember thinking ‘o, good grief given the debates we had over FTP, this is going to go forever!’ Padlipsky piped up and said, ’The example PL/1 program in the Multics Programmers Manual is a simple editor. Lets just use that.’ The reaction was, 'sure why not' and the discussion was over in minutes. Total shock. And within a few weeks there were NETEDs all over the ’Net. (And I don’t think any of them were exactly the same.) ;-) They just couldn’t resist the temptation to ‘improve’ it. ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Take care,</div><div class="">John</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 5, 2019, at 23:59, Steve Crocker <<a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank" class="">steve@shinkuro.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-7969534642975125216Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Thanks. Key word lobbying. I didn’t see anything technical.</div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Steve</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:56 PM Dave Crocker <<a href="mailto:dhc@dcrocker.net" target="_blank" class="">dhc@dcrocker.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 7/5/2019 7:24 PM, Steve Crocker wrote:<br class="">
> With apology, what was USING?<br class="">
> <br class="">
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:23 PM John Day <<a href="mailto:jeanjour@comcast.net" target="_blank" class="">jeanjour@comcast.net</a> <br class="">
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jeanjour@comcast.net" target="_blank" class="">jeanjour@comcast.net</a>>> wrote:<br class="">
...<br class="">
> If collaboration of people was one of the main goals, why was USING<br class="">
> turned off? That seemed to be a hot bed of collaboration with great<br class="">
> potential.<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
USING was the Users Interest Network Group. I co-chaired it with Nancy <br class="">
Neigus, and the 'sponsorship' of Craig Fields, then of Arpa:<br class="">
<br class="">
<a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc585/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc585/</a><br class="">
<br class="">
It was yet-another very early and spontaneous effort, with an initial <br class="">
task of figuring what it was for.<br class="">
<br class="">
The RFC summarized this as:<br class="">
<br class="">
The group will devote itself to lobbying on behalf of user interests,<br class="">
to promoting and facilitating resource sharing, to improving user<br class="">
interfaces (support), and to studies of standardization. The<br class="">
ultimate goal will be provide users identification of, and<br class="">
facilitated access to, whatever resources on the Network they might<br class="">
wish to use.<br class="">
<br class="">
I've seen various explanations of why we shut down, but my own <br class="">
recollection is that we simply could not gain enough traction. That is, <br class="">
not a broad enough based of community interest.<br class="">
<br class="">
d/<br class="">
-- <br class="">
Dave Crocker<br class="">
Brandenburg InternetWorking<br class="">
<a href="http://bbiw.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">bbiw.net</a><br class="">
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