[ih] When the words Internet was design to survive a nuclear war appeared for the first time?

[John Lowry]

Following the funding happens in many disciplines.  There were security projects
that posed as networking projects, networking projects that posed
as security projects, and AI projects that posed (and continue to
pose) as everything else.

Separate topic.  At one point during IPLI development (Internet PLI), 
I was assigned to get the IPLI interfaced to the Rockwell IPR (improved packet radio).
Since IPLI had an HDLC interface this seemed a reasonable project.

One rationale I heard for this was survivability, with explicit examples
of  lonely shelters sprinkled in remote places around the country 
(with power magically appearing from “shut up kid, don’t raise issues”).  
In a way it made sense as IPLI was significantly hardened environmentally 
and against EMP-like emissions.  But the IPR was not.  Further IPLI was 
never tested when attached to an EMP-vulnerable device.  

Does anyone remember the actual rationale for the IPLI/IPR project ?

John Lowry

> On Feb 14, 2019, at 13:05, Jack Haverty <jack at 3kitty.org> wrote:
> 
> My recollection is that the "survivability" theme became prominent in
> the Reagan Era, with the advent of the "Star Wars" programs, aka
> "Strategic Defense Initiative".  We found that where we had been
> "working on the Internet project" we were suddenly "working on the
> Strategic Defense Initiative", or SDI.  The main reason for that was
> that the funding faucets moved.  I recall Danny Cohen giving a talk at
> one of the quarterly Internet meetings about what SDI was and why we had
> to care.
> 
> This had little noticeable effect on the people writing code and
> building things, who mostly just continued to do what they had been
> doing.  It did have an effect on things like writing proposals (to get
> the next round of funding), since the $$s were all being directed at SDI.
> 
> I was involved in both situations.  It was interesting and often
> challenging translating "what we wanted to build" into "why it's
> critical to SDI" and vice versa.
> 
> So the answer to the question "when did people start saying that" will
> probably depend strongly on which people you ask.
> 
> /Jack Haverty
> 
> On 2/14/19 7:28 AM, Scott O. Bradner wrote:
>> when did people start saying that or what was the reason they said that?
>> 
>> fwiw - I just gave a talk on the latter 
>> 
>> http://www.sobco.com/presentations/2019-02-05-Internet-history-bkc.pdf
>> 
>> a video will be posted at some point on youtube - https://www.youtube.com/user/BerkmanCenter under 2018-2019 talks
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2019, at 8:44 AM, Alejandro Acosta <alejandroacostaalamo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>>  Today I was reading some news about Internet and in one of them I
>>> found the phrase (that all of you have listened before):  "Internet
>>> (ARPANET) was intended to survive a nuclear war", however, as far as I
>>> know, this is kind of a myth, right?, ARPANET was intended as a research
>>> network and the "war" part if very far away from the thuth.
>>> 
>>>  My question would be: when the words "designed to survive a nuclear
>>> war" appeared for the first time?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alejandro,
>>> 
>>> 
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