[ih] Review: Yasha Levine's "Surveillance Valley"

[Brian E Carpenter]

On 05/07/2018 10:47, nfonseca at ic.unicamp.br wrote:
> 
> regarding innovation and airplanes I recommend reading
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Santos-Dumont

Zeitgeist is a real thing. For aviation, there was also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pearse and probably others.

Incandescent light bulbs, moving pictures: multiple claimants too.

Equally so in the early days of computing & networking.

   Brian

> 
> Nelson
> 
>> I'm sorry, but my immediate reaction is that by this logic, the airplane
>> was not an innovation because, when the Wright brothers invented it, they
>> created a device that, using modest horsepower, could move a single human
>> being a short distance and since they already sold bicycles (which achieve
>> similar goals), they hadn't innovated.  That said, thank you for the
>> pointers -- I'll go do some reading and see if I'm converted to your point
>> of view.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 1:23 PM, Richard Bennett <richard at bennett.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> With the iPod, Apple sold people on carrying a highly portable computer
>>> around with them everywhere they went. It had a screen, a UI, and an
>>> earpiece and the ability to run a very limited set of programs. It also
>>> had
>>> a rudimentary networking capability, limited to short periods of
>>> connection
>>> via USB.
>>>
>>> iPod became iPhone with the addition of a microphone, a radio, and a
>>> somewhat more capable operating system. With the expansion of iTunes to
>>> include apps, you got the whole banana.
>>>
>>> The iPhone was therefore an incremental enhancement of two of Apple?s
>>> existing products, a portable one and a network-based feeder system.
>>> It?s
>>> hard to see two dudes in a garage pulling something like this off.
>>>
>>> RB
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:29 PM, Dave Crocker <dhc2 at dcrocker.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> The research on innovation very clearly shows that significant, game
>>> changing inventions almost always come from big companies. The myth of
>>> two dudes in a garage ignores the fact that it takes big money to take
>>> big risks.
>>>
>>> Apple succeeded with the iPhone while Handspring and Nokia failed in
>>> large part because of the music infrastructure the company had built
>>> around the iPod, another second or third mover that succeeded where more
>>> ad hoc MP3 players had failed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This casts things as either or, which is in line with how the thread has
>>> gone, but probably misses a basic distinction, namely basic innovation
>>> from what I'll call scaling innovation.
>>>
>>> Creation of the basic capability versus delivering a version of the
>>> capability that gains widespread success.  The latter is not a 'mere'.
>>>
>>> Being able to get the balance of features, costs, marketing and sales
>>> choices just right is, obviously, not obvious.  But it is quite
>>> different from what we often call 'technological breakthrough'.
>>>
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