[ih] No, really, I want to stay subscribed

Miles Fidelman mfidelman at meetinghouse.net
Tue Aug 23 22:03:28 PDT 2016

Come to think of it, perhaps you might check the subscriber list for 
anything that looks like:

smtp01.vaderetro-safeunsubscribe.com []

and remove it!

Now, if some subscriber is automatically vectoring messages through some 
kind of unsubscription service, finding that subscriber might be just a 
tad harder.

Unfortunately, there is no web site at vaderetro-safeunsubscribe.com 
(well, it comes back as 403 Forbidden)

The whois shows this as owned by some French company that offers yet 
another email security program - one that obviously makes things worse 
for the world.  Perhaps you might drop them an email - see if anyone 
responds.  Seems like their system is attacking the list.

Domain Name: vaderetro-safeunsubscribe.com
Registry Domain ID: 1686009255_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.ovh.com
Registrar URL: http://www.ovh.com
Updated Date: 2015-10-28T09:45:30.0Z
Creation Date: 2011-11-07T13:57:12.0Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-11-07T13:57:12.0Z
Registrar: OVH, SAS
Registrar IANA ID: 433
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse at ovh.net
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +33.972101007
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited 
Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited 
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Vade Retro Technology
Registrant Organization: Vade Retro Technology
Registrant Street: avenue antoine pinay
Registrant City: hem
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code: 59510
Registrant Country:  FR
Registrant Phone: +33.328328328
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +33.328328329
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: uku0shwwfp3xze6a91lu at l.o-w-o.info
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: Vade Retro Technology
Admin Organization: Vade Retro Technology
Admin Street: 3 avenue antoine pinay
Admin City: hem
Admin State/Province:
Admin Postal Code: 59510
Admin Country:  FR
Admin Phone: +33.328328888
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax: +33.328328329
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: sl6mw8yiwfnf3i13lzte at f.o-w-o.info
Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: Vade Retro Technology
Tech Organization: Vade Retro Technology
Tech Street: 3 avenue antoine pinay
Tech City: hem
Tech State/Province:
Tech Postal Code: 59510
Tech Country:  FR
Tech Phone: +33.328328888
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax: +33.328328329
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: sl6mw8yiwfnf3i13lzte at f.o-w-o.info
Name Server: dns1.goto.fr
Name Server: dns2.goto.fr
DNSSEC: unsigned

On 8/24/16 12:49 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Well, just got another one, timestamped 9:12
> And where the earlier ones asked me to confirm my unsubscribe request, 
> this one says that it's forwarded it to the admin.
> And no, I did not send the original request - the From: line must be 
> forged.  But... looking at the headers, it looks like it REALLY came from:
> from [unsubscribe] (unknown []) by 
> smtp01.vaderetro-safeunsubscribe.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 
> ED4591BF7CB for <internet-history-request at postel.org>; Wed, 24 Aug 
> 2016 03:11:49 +0200 (CEST)
> So who the hell is vaderetro-safeunsubscribe.com, and why is it trying 
> to unsubscribe people from internet-history?
> Miles Fidelman
>> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>> original message.
>> - Results:
>>      Your unsubscription request has been forwarded to the list administrator for
>> approval.
>> - Done.
>> ForwardedMessage.eml
>> Subject:
>> unsubscribe
>> From:
>> mfidelman at meetinghouse.net
>> Date:
>> 8/23/16, 9:11 PM
>> To:
>> internet-history-request at postel.org
> On 8/23/16 8:43 PM, Joe Touch wrote:
>> Hi, all,
>> On 8/23/2016 4:15 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>> On 8/23/16 6:35 PM, Alan Clegg wrote:
>>>> On 8/23/16 6:13 PM, John R. Levine wrote:
>>>>>> I get them as well. I've seen them on other lists too.
>>>>> The usual approach is to send mail to parts of the list with tagged
>>>>> addresses to see which ones trigger the unsub-bot, and narrow it down to
>>>>> the guilty party.
>>> Or to just save incoming messages to  -request, so one can look at the
>>> headers.
>> The header indicates it's coming from the mailman system. I.e., these
>> aren't forged; they're unsub requests.
>>>> If only there were programmers around to make this happen....
>>> Not even - just a sysadmin who can update the alias for -request, to add
>>> an actual mailbox.
>>> Who's listmaster for ih anyway?
>> I am.
>> I did some digging on this issue and the suggestion is to disable user
>> unsubscribe completely (i.e., requires admin OK). Since I don't track
>> those mails, it may be more difficult to get off the list now, but at
>> least the stream of unsubs should calm down.
>> Please let me know if you see further unsub requests.
>> Joe
> -- 
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> In practice, there is.  .... Yogi Berra

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