[ih] Fwd: [IP] OSI: The Internet That Wasn't

[John Day]

At 4:54 PM -0400 7/30/13, Vint Cerf wrote:
>telenet led he development of x.25 (Larry Roberts and Barry Wessler) 
>along with the British Post Office, the French Reseau Communication 
>par Paquet from CNET (Remi Despres) and Dave(?) Horton of DATAPAC in 
>Canada.

Right, Dave Horton.  I was trying to remember that name.

John

>
>On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:47 AM, John Day 
><<mailto:jeanjour at comcast.net>jeanjour at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Yea, the PTTs in Europe were pretty clueless in general.  There is 
>very little way that they could have known much about the ARPANET 
>experience, nor would they have listened if they could.  Remember 
>the reaction ATT had to the ARPANET at ICCC '72.  They thought it 
>was a joke.  Not an uncommon reaction to those in an old paradigm 
>not seeing the elements of a new one in the first stages of 
>formation.
>
>I have heard rumors that the Telenet guys had considerable input 
>into X.25 but I don't know if that was true.  Remi Despres wrote a 
>fairly long article on it in IEEE Annals of Computing History.
>
>
>
>At 10:07 AM -0400 7/30/13, Bernie Cosell wrote:
>
>On 30 Jul 2013 at 9:27, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
>  ------- forwarded -----
>
>  IEEE Spectrum just published online, titled "OSI: The Internet That
>  Wasn't."  OSI, of course, is the acronym for Open Systems
>  Interconnection.
>
>
>Interesting stuff.  I had virtually no interaction with the
>"International" stuff except for one thing: at some point [I can't
>remember when, but I suspect Dave can] they came out with a draft
>proposal for X.25 level 3.  Since that would affect the TIP and I was TIP
>czar at the time, Dave [I think] asked me to critique the proposal.
>
>What it was, was HDLC kludged up to sort-of be full-duplex, but in a way
>that could never work.  They seemed to have learned none of the lessons
>we [ARPAnet folk] had with redoing the TELNET protocol.  I wrote a pretty
>scathing critique that I *think* got published [was it IEEE Comm?].  I
>believe that not long after that they withdrew the proposal...:o)   It
>was kind of fun, but I never did get involved with it again [I was
>already off of the relevant projects before we [BBN] put in X.25 support
>in our systems].
>
>   /Bernie\
>
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