[ih] FTP Design

[John Day]

Dave you are being too much the engineer and not enough the 
historian.  ;-)  I want the intellectual history of arriving at the 
concepts in Telnet.

How did the ideas come about?

If Bernie is right (and I assume he is), and his name is not on that 
paper (and it isn't), then it can not possibly answer the question I 
am asking.  ;-)

Take care,
John


At 23:36 -0400 2012/06/30, Dave Walden wrote:
>PS, The paper at this place summarizes the Telnet development:
> 
><http://walden-family.com/public/telnet-overview.pdf>http://walden-family.com/public/telnet-overview.pdf
>See the list of RFCs on various aspects of the evolution on the last 
>page (bottom right) of the paper.
>
>On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 10:43 PM, John Day 
><<mailto:jeanjour at comcast.net>jeanjour at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>That clears that up.
>
>And as Bob suggested, did it hit you all at once?  I wouldn't be 
>surprised these things often do.
>
>Did you also come up with the NVT?
>
>Could you expound on it a bit more?
>
>This is a stroke of brilliance.  It would be nice to know how it 
>came about.  It deserves to be better known.
>
>I still teach Telnet even though it is no longer in the textbooks. 
> I tell the students that I do it not because they need to know how 
>Telnet works.  But it is an elegant solution to a problem that no 
>one else saw. and they may find an analogous situation someday.  And 
>because too many "brilliant" CS professors and textbook authors 
>these days refer to it as a remote login protocol, when it was no 
>such thing.  I want the students to know that while the current crop 
>of professors may not have much imagination, others did.
>
>John
>
>At 18:49 -0400 2012/06/30, Bernie Cosell wrote:
>
>On 30 Jun 2012 at 18:10, John Day wrote:
>
>  Who came up with the symmetrical Telnet design?  I remember Alex
>  wrote it up after the meeting (or at least Grossman told me Alex was
>  writing it up), but when I "blamed" him for it ;-), he wouldn't take
>  the credit.
>
>
>Well, I probably mostly did that.  I did the will/wont/do/dont stuff on
>the airplane as Walden and I were flying out to some meeting [at UCLA, I
>think] where we addressed telnet.
>
>It was clear from my work with the TIP [I was the TIP czar at the time]
>that the asymmetry in the protocol was just not right.  What I was
>thinking about was host<->host connections where there was really no
>point in having one end be the 'server' and the other be the 'client'.
>
>   /Bernie\
>
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