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<div>Dave you are being too much the engineer and not enough the
historian. ;-) I want the intellectual history of arriving
at the concepts in Telnet.</div>
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<div>How did the ideas come about?</div>
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<div>If Bernie is right (and I assume he is), and his name is not on
that paper (and it isn't), then it can not possibly answer the
question I am asking. ;-)</div>
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<div>Take care,</div>
<div>John</div>
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<div>At 23:36 -0400 2012/06/30, Dave Walden wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>PS, The paper at this place summarizes
the Telnet development:</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> <a
href="http://walden-family.com/public/telnet-overview.pdf"
>http://walden-family.com/public/telnet-overview.pdf</a></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>See the list of RFCs on various aspects
of the evolution on the last page (bottom right) of the paper.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 10:43 PM, John
Day <<a
href="mailto:jeanjour@comcast.net">jeanjour@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote>That clears that up.<br>
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And as Bob suggested, did it hit you all at once? I wouldn't be
surprised these things often do.<br>
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Did you also come up with the NVT?<br>
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Could you expound on it a bit more?<br>
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This is a stroke of brilliance. It would be nice to know how it
came about. It deserves to be better known.<br>
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I still teach Telnet even though it is no longer in the textbooks.
I tell the students that I do it not because they need to know
how Telnet works. But it is an elegant solution to a problem
that no one else saw. and they may find an analogous situation
someday. And because too many "brilliant" CS
professors and textbook authors these days refer to it as a remote
login protocol, when it was no such thing. I want the students
to know that while the current crop of professors may not have much
imagination, others did.<br>
<br>
John<br>
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At 18:49 -0400 2012/06/30, Bernie Cosell wrote:<br>
<blockquote>On 30 Jun 2012 at 18:10, John Day wrote:<br>
<blockquote> Who came up with the symmetrical Telnet design?
I remember Alex<br>
wrote it up after the meeting (or at least Grossman told me Alex
was<br>
writing it up), but when I "blamed" him for it ;-), he
wouldn't take<br>
the credit.<br>
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Well, I probably mostly did that. I did the will/wont/do/dont
stuff on<br>
the airplane as Walden and I were flying out to some meeting [at UCLA,
I<br>
think] where we addressed telnet.<br>
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<blockquote>It was clear from my work with the TIP [I was the TIP czar
at the time]<br>
that the asymmetry in the protocol was just not right. What I
was<br>
thinking about was host<->host connections where there was
really no<br>
point in having one end be the 'server' and the other be the
'client'.<br>
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