[ih] FTP Design

[Vint Cerf]

steve crocker had a lot to do with NCP and likely with TELNET. I had
thought that Dave W was the originator of Do/Don't etc but glad to
know of Bernie's role in it. I had thought that Steve C might have
been the inventor of NVT but he's probably a bit too busy in Prague to
respond right now.

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On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:05 AM, John Day <jeanjour at comcast.net> wrote:
> Dave you are being too much the engineer and not enough the historian.  ;-)
> I want the intellectual history of arriving at the concepts in Telnet.
>
> How did the ideas come about?
>
> If Bernie is right (and I assume he is), and his name is not on that paper
> (and it isn't), then it can not possibly answer the question I am asking.
> ;-)
>
> Take care,
> John
>
>
> At 23:36 -0400 2012/06/30, Dave Walden wrote:
>
> PS, The paper at this place summarizes the Telnet development:
>
>      http://walden-family.com/public/telnet-overview.pdf
>
> See the list of RFCs on various aspects of the evolution on the last page
> (bottom right) of the paper.
>
> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 10:43 PM, John Day <jeanjour at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> That clears that up.
>
> And as Bob suggested, did it hit you all at once?  I wouldn't be surprised
> these things often do.
>
> Did you also come up with the NVT?
>
> Could you expound on it a bit more?
>
> This is a stroke of brilliance.  It would be nice to know how it came about.
>  It deserves to be better known.
>
> I still teach Telnet even though it is no longer in the textbooks.  I tell
> the students that I do it not because they need to know how Telnet works.
>  But it is an elegant solution to a problem that no one else saw. and they
> may find an analogous situation someday.  And because too many "brilliant"
> CS professors and textbook authors these days refer to it as a remote login
> protocol, when it was no such thing.  I want the students to know that while
> the current crop of professors may not have much imagination, others did.
>
> John
>
> At 18:49 -0400 2012/06/30, Bernie Cosell wrote:
>
> On 30 Jun 2012 at 18:10, John Day wrote:
>
>  Who came up with the symmetrical Telnet design?  I remember Alex
>  wrote it up after the meeting (or at least Grossman told me Alex was
>  writing it up), but when I "blamed" him for it ;-), he wouldn't take
>  the credit.
>
>
> Well, I probably mostly did that.  I did the will/wont/do/dont stuff on
> the airplane as Walden and I were flying out to some meeting [at UCLA, I
> think] where we addressed telnet.
>
> It was clear from my work with the TIP [I was the TIP czar at the time]
> that the asymmetry in the protocol was just not right.  What I was
> thinking about was host<->host connections where there was really no
> point in having one end be the 'server' and the other be the 'client'.
>
>   /Bernie\
>
> --
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