[Chapter-delegates] Chapter Formation in Iraq

Wed Mar 20 13:00:07 PDT 2024

Dear All,
I fully support the establishment of the new chapter in Iraq with one
concern that needs to be addressed - the name of the chapter need to be
Internet Society Iraq Chapter not "Al-Reada Wal-Izdehar Organization for
Sustainable Development | منظمة الريادة والازدهار للتنمية المستدامة"

Asrat
ISOC Ethiopia Chapter

On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 8:30 PM Pedro de Perdigão Lana via
Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> Dear Luis,
>
> Completely agree and it was not my intention to block any debate, such as
> asking why that specific name was chosen. My opinion was addressed to the
> imposing/categorical tone that started to appear after the initial
> questioning - some of the comments seemed to imply that the name change
> could be a condition for approval, and I remain strongly opposed to this
> concept (particularly because, as Andrew already mentioned, this would be a
> condition that many other chapters currently do not comply with)
>
> Cordially,
>
> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
> Advogado - OAB/PR 90.600 <https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/>,  Pesquisador (
> GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>)
> Doutorando em Direito (UFPR), Mestre em Direito Empresarial (UCoimbra),
> Membro da Coordenação - CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC
> BR <https://isoc.org.br/> e IODA <https://ioda.org.br/>
> Essa mensagem é restrita ao remetente e destinatário(s). Se recebida por
> engano, favor responder informando o erro.
>
>
> Em qua., 20 de mar. de 2024 às 10:26, Luis Martinez via Chapter-delegates <
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> escreveu:
>
>> Dear Pedro, now it is more clear the reasons. However, the best result is
>> our capacity of dialogue which should not be lost. It is one of our biggest
>> values.
>> Best Regards,
>> Luis Martinez
>> ISOC MX
>> Member of the board of trustees ISOC
>> On Mar 19, 2024, 14:30 -0600, Pedro de Perdigão Lana via
>> Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>, wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Giving an opinion here for similar debates in the future: even if this
>> wasn't a legal constraint, I don't think it is up to us to decide on the
>> name a chapter will adopt. They can have an official/company name and a
>> trade name (the one they are known for), and, if there is no requirement
>> from ISOC as an organization about this, I do not believe it would be a
>> good practice to have other chapters deciding about the adequacy or not of
>> the name, if it is not something widely considered as immoral or illegal.
>>
>> Cordially,
>>
>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>> Lawyer <https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR
>> <https://www.gedai.com.br/> Researcher
>> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
>> Board Member @ CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC BR
>> <https://isoc.org.br/> and IODA <https://ioda.org.br/>
>> This message is restricted to the sender and recipient(s). If received by
>> mistake, please reply informing it.
>>
>>
>> Em ter., 19 de mar. de 2024 às 13:28, Ricky Mahabir via Chapter-delegates
>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> escreveu:
>>
>>> Greetings from Suriname,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the clarification Hana. Given the constraints the name is
>>> then proper as per legal requirement.
>>> I have no further objections and wish the team many successful projects.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Ricky P. Mahabir
>>> FY 2023 - 2024 Service Chairperson | Lions Club Parwani | (LC Member
>>> #5276037, *MJF*)
>>> Commissaris Sportclub De Dolfijn (Bar, Keuken en Recreatie)
>>> JCI Senator # 81045
>>> 2021-2023 Secretary ISOC Suriname Chapter (www.isoc.org)
>>>
>>> Voorzitter Key Jaycees / Past President | JCI Suriname
>>> / JCI Nilom
>>>
>>> Mobile: +597-7697377 / +597-8727832 | e-mail: rickypm at gmail.com |
>>> Skype: rmahabir
>>>
>>> "Be the change you want to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 11:08 AM Hana Sabbagh via Chapter-delegates <
>>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your comments.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The NGO Directorate of the Iraqi government has terms and conditions
>>>> for naming a not-for-profit organization, these terms are:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    1. The names of the proposed organization *should not* include the
>>>>    following terms: (Iraqi, national, global, international, union,
>>>>    professions, crafts, scientific, syndicate, seminary, society, council,
>>>>    forum, association, center, farmers, fishing, cooperative, central).
>>>>    2. The names of the proposed organization *must include* one of the
>>>>    following specializations: (agricultural, culture, democracy, economic
>>>>    development, education, environment, people with special needs, human
>>>>    rights, media, humanitarian aid, children and orphans, public health,
>>>>    public services, relief, youth, women’s affairs , art, sustainable
>>>>    development).
>>>>    3. The name of the organization *should be as* follows:
>>>>    Organization + a clear proper noun that matches the specializations + one
>>>>    of the specializations.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The chapter forming group sent several names to the NGO directorate and
>>>> this was the one that was accepted. They are open to suggestions for names
>>>> that fall within the above-mentioned criteria.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The chapter will be a separate legal entity and will be referred to as
>>>> Internet Society Iraq Chapter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Hana
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>
>>>> on behalf of Andrew Sullivan via Chapter-delegates <
>>>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>>> *Date:* Tuesday, 19 March 2024 at 3:38 PM
>>>> *To:* chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org <
>>>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] Chapter Formation in Iraq
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 01:57:12AM +0000, Christopher Hawker via
>>>> Chapter-delegates wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >  2.
>>>> > chapters are distinct and separate legal entities from ISOC
>>>>
>>>> Yes, this is true.
>>>>
>>>> > as stated by Andrew Sullivan in his email to the Chapter Delegates
>>>> list on 03/12/2024 at 03:16pm UTC "chapters do not have legal
>>>> responsibilities to the Internet Society corporate body". This would mean
>>>> that the chapter would have no legal responsibilities to ISOC.
>>>>
>>>> That way of stating things was perhaps infelicitous (or perhaps some
>>>> context has been cut).  Chapters _do_ have legal responsibilities to the
>>>> Internet Society corporate body, within the scope of the engagement
>>>> letter.  For instance, chapters promise as part of their engagement to do
>>>> certain things (like hold elections for officers); and if they don't do
>>>> them then the various chapter processes kick in (this includes, for
>>>> instance, ineligibility for certain kinds of funding or eventual
>>>> dechartering or so forth).
>>>>
>>>> The main point I was trying to make in that message is that chapters
>>>> are not legally a part of the Internet Society, but are independent legal
>>>> entities.  This is not how chapters work in every organization.  For
>>>> instance, in some cases, a "chapter" is really a branch office of the
>>>> corporation itself.
>>>>
>>>> On the matter of the name, I will observe that we do not have a
>>>> requirement that the entity that is recognized as the chapter must be named
>>>> "Internet Society $place chapter", and many chapter organizations have
>>>> names that are not of the usual "chapter" form.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> A
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Sullivan, President & CEO, Internet Society
>>>> e:sullivan at isoc.org m:+1 416 731 1261
>>>> Help protect the Internet for everyone:
>>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/donate/
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
>>>> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
>>>> Chapter Portal (AMS):
>>>> https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login
>>>> View the Internet Society Code of Conduct:
>>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
>>>> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
>>>> Chapter Portal (AMS):
>>>> https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login
>>>> View the Internet Society Code of Conduct:
>>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
>>> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
>>> Chapter Portal (AMS):
>>> https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login
>>> View the Internet Society Code of Conduct:
>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
>> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
>> Chapter Portal (AMS):
>> https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login
>> View the Internet Society Code of Conduct:
>> https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
>> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
>> Chapter Portal (AMS):
>> https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login
>> View the Internet Society Code of Conduct:
>> https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/
>>
> _______________________________________________
> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
> Chapter Portal (AMS):
> https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login
> View the Internet Society Code of Conduct:
> https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/private/chapter-delegates/attachments/20240320/cf9b0ffb/attachment.htm>