<div dir="ltr">Dear All, <div>I fully support the establishment of the new chapter in Iraq with one concern that needs to be addressed - the name of the chapter need to be </div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(0,255,0)">Internet Society Iraq Chapter</span> not "<span style="color:rgb(0,0,255);font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;text-align:justify">Al-Reada Wal-Izdehar Organization for Sustainable Development | </span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="color:rgb(0,0,255);font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;text-align:justify">منظمة الريادة والازدهار للتنمية المستدامة"</span></div><div><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="color:rgb(0,0,255);font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;text-align:justify"><br></span></div><div><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="color:rgb(0,0,255);font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;text-align:justify">Asrat </span></div><div><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL" style="color:rgb(0,0,255);font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;text-align:justify">ISOC Ethiopia Chapter </span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 8:30 PM Pedro de Perdigão Lana via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Luis,</div><div><br></div><div>Completely agree and it was not my intention to block any debate, such as asking why that specific name was chosen. My opinion was addressed to the imposing/categorical tone that started to appear after the initial questioning - some of the comments seemed to imply that the name change could be a condition for approval, and I remain strongly opposed to this concept (particularly because, as Andrew already mentioned, this would be a condition that many other chapters currently do not comply with)</div><div><br></div><div>Cordially,</div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:garamond,"times new roman",serif"><font size="2"><b>Pedro de Perdigão Lana</b><br></font></span><div><span style="font-family:garamond,"times new roman",serif"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/" target="_blank">Advogado - OAB/PR 90.600</a>, </font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,"times new roman",serif"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,"times new roman",serif"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,"times new roman",serif"><font size="2">Pesquisador (<a href="https://www.gedai.com.br/" target="_blank">GEDAI/UFPR</a>)</font></span></font></span></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,"times new roman",serif"><font size="2">Doutorando em Direito (UFPR), Mestre em Direito Empresarial (UCoimbra), </font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,"times new roman",serif"><font size="2">Membro da Coordenação - <a href="https://br.creativecommons.net/" target="_blank">CC Brasil</a>, </font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,"times new roman",serif"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,"times new roman",serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://isoc.org.br/" target="_blank">ISOC BR</a></font></font></span> e <a href="https://ioda.org.br/" target="_blank">IODA </a></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,"times new roman",serif"></span></div><span style="font-family:garamond,"times new roman",serif"><font size="1">Essa mensagem é restrita ao remetente e destinatário(s). Se recebida por engano, favor responder informando o erro.</font></span><br></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em qua., 20 de mar. de 2024 às 10:26, Luis Martinez via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="auto">Dear Pedro, now it is more clear the reasons. However, the best result is our capacity of dialogue which should not be lost. It is one of our biggest values.<br>
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<div>Giving an opinion here for similar debates in the future: even if this wasn't a legal constraint, I don't think it is up to us to decide on the name a chapter will adopt. They can have an official/company name and a trade name (the one they are known for), and, if there is no requirement from ISOC as an organization about this, I do not believe it would be a good practice to have other chapters deciding about the adequacy or not of the name, if it is not something widely considered as immoral or illegal.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em ter., 19 de mar. de 2024 às 13:28, Ricky Mahabir via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> escreveu:<br></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thank you for the clarification Hana. Given the constraints the name is then proper as per legal requirement.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 11:08 AM Hana Sabbagh via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear all,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,28,29)">Thank you for your comments.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,28,29)">The NGO Directorate of the Iraqi government has terms and conditions for naming a not-for-profit organization, these terms are:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<li style="color:rgb(29,28,29);margin-left:0cm;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The names of the proposed organization <b>should not</b> include the following terms: (Iraqi, national, global, international, union, professions, crafts, scientific, syndicate, seminary, society, council, forum, association, center, farmers, fishing, cooperative, central).<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li style="color:rgb(29,28,29);margin-left:0cm;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The names of the proposed organization <b>must include</b> one of the following specializations: (agricultural, culture, democracy, economic development, education, environment, people with special needs, human rights, media, humanitarian aid, children and orphans, public health, public services, relief, youth, women’s affairs , art, sustainable development).<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li style="color:rgb(29,28,29);margin-left:0cm;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The name of the organization <b>should be as</b> follows: Organization + a clear proper noun that matches the specializations + one of the specializations.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,28,29)">The chapter forming group sent several names to the NGO directorate and this was the one that was accepted. They are open to suggestions for names that fall within the above-mentioned criteria.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,28,29)">The chapter will be a separate legal entity and will be referred to as Internet Society Iraq Chapter.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,28,29)">Thank you<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,28,29)">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Date:</b> Tuesday, 19 March 2024 at 3:38</span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a> <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>><br>
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On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 01:57:12AM +0000, Christopher Hawker via Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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> chapters are distinct and separate legal entities from ISOC<br>
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Yes, this is true.<br>
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> as stated by Andrew Sullivan in his email to the Chapter Delegates list on 03/12/2024 at 03:16pm UTC "chapters do not have legal responsibilities to the Internet Society corporate body". This would mean that the chapter would have no legal responsibilities to ISOC.<br>
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That way of stating things was perhaps infelicitous (or perhaps some context has been cut). Chapters _do_ have legal responsibilities to the Internet Society corporate body, within the scope of the engagement letter. For instance, chapters promise as part of their engagement to do certain things (like hold elections for officers); and if they don't do them then the various chapter processes kick in (this includes, for instance, ineligibility for certain kinds of funding or eventual dechartering or so forth).<br>
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The main point I was trying to make in that message is that chapters are not legally a part of the Internet Society, but are independent legal entities. This is not how chapters work in every organization. For instance, in some cases, a "chapter" is really a branch office of the corporation itself.<br>
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On the matter of the name, I will observe that we do not have a requirement that the entity that is recognized as the chapter must be named "Internet Society $place chapter", and many chapter organizations have names that are not of the usual "chapter" form.<br>
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