[Chapter-delegates] Chapter Formation in Iraq
Judith Hellerstein
judith at jhellerstein.com
Wed Mar 20 13:11:15 PDT 2024
HI Asrat,
ISOC responded that the NGO/Non Profit rules require them to be called the
Al-Reada Wal-Izdehar Organization for Sustainable Development |but colloquially
they will be called ISOC IRAQ Chapter. See these rules
1. The names of the proposed organization *should not* include the following
terms: (Iraqi, national, global, international, union, professions, crafts,
scientific, syndicate, seminary, society, council, forum, association,
center, farmers, fishing, cooperative, central).
2. The names of the proposed organization *must include* one of the following
specializations: (agricultural, culture, democracy, economic development,
education, environment, people with special needs, human rights, media,
humanitarian aid, children and orphans, public health, public services,
relief, youth, women’s affairs , art, sustainable development).
3. The name of the organization *should be as* follows: Organization + a clear
proper noun that matches the specializations + one of the specializations.
The chapter forming group sent several names to the NGO directorate and this was
the one that was accepted. They are open to suggestions for names that fall
within the above-mentioned criteria.
The chapter will be a separate legal entity and will be referred to as Internet
Society Iraq Chapter.
Since those are the rules, I support this
Judith Hellerstein
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On 3/20/24 4:00 PM, Asrat Beyene via Chapter-delegates wrote:
> Dear All,
> I fully support the establishment of the new chapter in Iraq with one concern
> that needs to be addressed - the name of the chapter need to be
> Internet Society Iraq Chapter not "Al-Reada Wal-Izdehar Organization for
> Sustainable Development | منظمة الريادة والازدهار للتنمية المستدامة"
>
> Asrat
> ISOC Ethiopia Chapter
>
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 8:30 PM Pedro de Perdigão Lana via Chapter-delegates
> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
> Dear Luis,
>
> Completely agree and it was not my intention to block any debate, such as
> asking why that specific name was chosen. My opinion was addressed to the
> imposing/categorical tone that started to appear after the initial
> questioning - some of the comments seemed to imply that the name change
> could be a condition for approval, and I remain strongly opposed to this
> concept (particularly because, as Andrew already mentioned, this would be
> a condition that many other chapters currently do not comply with)
>
> Cordially,
>
> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
> Advogado - OAB/PR 90.600 <https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/>, Pesquisador
> (GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>)
> Doutorando em Direito (UFPR), Mestre em Direito Empresarial (UCoimbra),
> Membro da Coordenação - CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC
> BR <https://isoc.org.br/> e IODA <https://ioda.org.br/>
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>
> Em qua., 20 de mar. de 2024 às 10:26, Luis Martinez via Chapter-delegates
> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> escreveu:
>
> Dear Pedro, now it is more clear the reasons. However, the best result
> is our capacity of dialogue which should not be lost. It is one of our
> biggest values.
> Best Regards,
> Luis Martinez
> ISOC MX
> Member of the board of trustees ISOC
> On Mar 19, 2024, 14:30 -0600, Pedro de Perdigão Lana via
> Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>, wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Giving an opinion here for similar debates in the future: even if
>> this wasn't a legal constraint, I don't think it is up to us to
>> decide on the name a chapter will adopt. They can have an
>> official/company name and a trade name (the one they are known for),
>> and, if there is no requirement from ISOC as an organization about
>> this, I do not believe it would be a good practice to have other
>> chapters deciding about the adequacy or not of the name, if it is not
>> something widely considered as immoral or illegal.
>>
>> Cordially,
>>
>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>> Lawyer <https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR
>> <https://www.gedai.com.br/> Researcher
>> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
>> Board Member @ CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC BR
>> <https://isoc.org.br/> and IODA <https://ioda.org.br/>
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>>
>>
>> Em ter., 19 de mar. de 2024 às 13:28, Ricky Mahabir via
>> Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> escreveu:
>>
>> Greetings from Suriname,
>>
>> Thank you for the clarification Hana. Given the constraints the
>> name is then proper as per legal requirement.
>> I have no further objections and wish the team many
>> successful projects.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Ricky P. Mahabir
>> FY 2023 - 2024 Service Chairperson | Lions Club Parwani | (LC
>> Member #5276037, *MJF*)
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>> JCI Senator # 81045
>> 2021-2023 Secretary ISOC Suriname Chapter (www.isoc.org
>> <http://www.isoc.org/>)
>>
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>>
>> "Be the change you want to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 11:08 AM Hana Sabbagh via
>> Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Thank you for your comments.
>>
>> The NGO Directorate of the Iraqi government has terms and
>> conditions for naming a not-for-profit organization, these
>> terms are:
>>
>> 1. The names of the proposed organization *should not*
>> include the following terms: (Iraqi, national, global,
>> international, union, professions, crafts, scientific,
>> syndicate, seminary, society, council, forum,
>> association, center, farmers, fishing, cooperative, central).
>> 2. The names of the proposed organization *must include* one
>> of the following specializations: (agricultural, culture,
>> democracy, economic development, education, environment,
>> people with special needs, human rights, media,
>> humanitarian aid, children and orphans, public health,
>> public services, relief, youth, women’s affairs , art,
>> sustainable development).
>> 3. The name of the organization *should be as* follows:
>> Organization + a clear proper noun that matches the
>> specializations + one of the specializations.
>>
>> The chapter forming group sent several names to the NGO
>> directorate and this was the one that was accepted. They are
>> open to suggestions for names that fall within the
>> above-mentioned criteria.
>>
>> The chapter will be a separate legal entity and will be
>> referred to as Internet Society Iraq Chapter.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Hana
>>
>> *From:* Chapter-delegates
>> <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org> on behalf of
>> Andrew Sullivan via Chapter-delegates
>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>> *Date:* Tuesday, 19 March 2024 at 3:38 PM
>> *To:* chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] Chapter Formation in Iraq
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 01:57:12AM +0000, Christopher Hawker
>> via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>>
>> > 2.
>> > chapters are distinct and separate legal entities from ISOC
>>
>> Yes, this is true.
>>
>> > as stated by Andrew Sullivan in his email to the Chapter
>> Delegates list on 03/12/2024 at 03:16pm UTC "chapters do not
>> have legal responsibilities to the Internet Society corporate
>> body". This would mean that the chapter would have no legal
>> responsibilities to ISOC.
>>
>> That way of stating things was perhaps infelicitous (or
>> perhaps some context has been cut). Chapters _do_ have legal
>> responsibilities to the Internet Society corporate body,
>> within the scope of the engagement letter. For instance,
>> chapters promise as part of their engagement to do certain
>> things (like hold elections for officers); and if they don't
>> do them then the various chapter processes kick in (this
>> includes, for instance, ineligibility for certain kinds of
>> funding or eventual dechartering or so forth).
>>
>> The main point I was trying to make in that message is that
>> chapters are not legally a part of the Internet Society, but
>> are independent legal entities. This is not how chapters work
>> in every organization. For instance, in some cases, a
>> "chapter" is really a branch office of the corporation itself.
>>
>> On the matter of the name, I will observe that we do not have
>> a requirement that the entity that is recognized as the
>> chapter must be named "Internet Society $place chapter", and
>> many chapter organizations have names that are not of the
>> usual "chapter" form.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> A
>>
>> --
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