[Chapter-delegates] Chapter Formation in Iraq

Wed Mar 20 10:30:10 PDT 2024

Dear Luis,

Completely agree and it was not my intention to block any debate, such as
asking why that specific name was chosen. My opinion was addressed to the
imposing/categorical tone that started to appear after the initial
questioning - some of the comments seemed to imply that the name change
could be a condition for approval, and I remain strongly opposed to this
concept (particularly because, as Andrew already mentioned, this would be a
condition that many other chapters currently do not comply with)

Cordially,

*Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
Advogado - OAB/PR 90.600 <https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/>,  Pesquisador (
GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>)
Doutorando em Direito (UFPR), Mestre em Direito Empresarial (UCoimbra),
Membro da Coordenação - CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC BR
<https://isoc.org.br/> e IODA <https://ioda.org.br/>
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Em qua., 20 de mar. de 2024 às 10:26, Luis Martinez via Chapter-delegates <
chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> escreveu:

> Dear Pedro, now it is more clear the reasons. However, the best result is
> our capacity of dialogue which should not be lost. It is one of our biggest
> values.
> Best Regards,
> Luis Martinez
> ISOC MX
> Member of the board of trustees ISOC
> On Mar 19, 2024, 14:30 -0600, Pedro de Perdigão Lana via Chapter-delegates
> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>, wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Giving an opinion here for similar debates in the future: even if this
> wasn't a legal constraint, I don't think it is up to us to decide on the
> name a chapter will adopt. They can have an official/company name and a
> trade name (the one they are known for), and, if there is no requirement
> from ISOC as an organization about this, I do not believe it would be a
> good practice to have other chapters deciding about the adequacy or not of
> the name, if it is not something widely considered as immoral or illegal.
>
> Cordially,
>
> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
> Lawyer <https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR
> <https://www.gedai.com.br/> Researcher
> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
> Board Member @ CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC BR
> <https://isoc.org.br/> and IODA <https://ioda.org.br/>
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> Em ter., 19 de mar. de 2024 às 13:28, Ricky Mahabir via Chapter-delegates <
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> escreveu:
>
>> Greetings from Suriname,
>>
>> Thank you for the clarification Hana. Given the constraints the name is
>> then proper as per legal requirement.
>> I have no further objections and wish the team many successful projects.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Ricky P. Mahabir
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>>
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>>
>> "Be the change you want to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 11:08 AM Hana Sabbagh via Chapter-delegates <
>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for your comments.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The NGO Directorate of the Iraqi government has terms and conditions for
>>> naming a not-for-profit organization, these terms are:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    1. The names of the proposed organization *should not* include the
>>>    following terms: (Iraqi, national, global, international, union,
>>>    professions, crafts, scientific, syndicate, seminary, society, council,
>>>    forum, association, center, farmers, fishing, cooperative, central).
>>>    2. The names of the proposed organization *must include* one of the
>>>    following specializations: (agricultural, culture, democracy, economic
>>>    development, education, environment, people with special needs, human
>>>    rights, media, humanitarian aid, children and orphans, public health,
>>>    public services, relief, youth, women’s affairs , art, sustainable
>>>    development).
>>>    3. The name of the organization *should be as* follows: Organization
>>>    + a clear proper noun that matches the specializations + one of the
>>>    specializations.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The chapter forming group sent several names to the NGO directorate and
>>> this was the one that was accepted. They are open to suggestions for names
>>> that fall within the above-mentioned criteria.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The chapter will be a separate legal entity and will be referred to as
>>> Internet Society Iraq Chapter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Hana
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>
>>> on behalf of Andrew Sullivan via Chapter-delegates <
>>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>> *Date:* Tuesday, 19 March 2024 at 3:38 PM
>>> *To:* chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org <
>>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] Chapter Formation in Iraq
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 01:57:12AM +0000, Christopher Hawker via
>>> Chapter-delegates wrote:
>>>
>>> >  2.
>>> > chapters are distinct and separate legal entities from ISOC
>>>
>>> Yes, this is true.
>>>
>>> > as stated by Andrew Sullivan in his email to the Chapter Delegates
>>> list on 03/12/2024 at 03:16pm UTC "chapters do not have legal
>>> responsibilities to the Internet Society corporate body". This would mean
>>> that the chapter would have no legal responsibilities to ISOC.
>>>
>>> That way of stating things was perhaps infelicitous (or perhaps some
>>> context has been cut).  Chapters _do_ have legal responsibilities to the
>>> Internet Society corporate body, within the scope of the engagement
>>> letter.  For instance, chapters promise as part of their engagement to do
>>> certain things (like hold elections for officers); and if they don't do
>>> them then the various chapter processes kick in (this includes, for
>>> instance, ineligibility for certain kinds of funding or eventual
>>> dechartering or so forth).
>>>
>>> The main point I was trying to make in that message is that chapters are
>>> not legally a part of the Internet Society, but are independent legal
>>> entities.  This is not how chapters work in every organization.  For
>>> instance, in some cases, a "chapter" is really a branch office of the
>>> corporation itself.
>>>
>>> On the matter of the name, I will observe that we do not have a
>>> requirement that the entity that is recognized as the chapter must be named
>>> "Internet Society $place chapter", and many chapter organizations have
>>> names that are not of the usual "chapter" form.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> A
>>>
>>> --
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