[Chapter-delegates] IMPORTANT: vote from Chapter Advisory Council - please make sure you vote!

Tue Jun 25 21:30:00 PDT 2024

Thanks Judith for this tip,

I agree on seeing the mail everyone will think it is only one question to
vote on, which is quite misleading (inadvertently).

Regards

Amrita

On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:47 AM Judith Hellerstein via Chapter-delegates <
chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> HI All,
>
> I believe that once you click on the question 1,  it brings you to the
> survey monkey, and then you can vote  on both questions.  I agree it is
> very confusing.  Since I already voted, I cannot see the screen and see the
> survey monkey, but I recall both questions were on the consensus call
>
>
> Best,
>
> Judith
>
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> On 6/26/24 12:10 AM, Winthrop Yu via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>
> +1 Christopher
>
>
> In the meantime, i have received a "replacement" ballot from Rama, but it
> seems to contain only the option to vote on question  1 (Mailing List),
> there is no option to vote on question 2 (Joly / ISOC LIVE). I have emailed
> Rama back about this.
>
>
> I would recommend that ChAC representatives carefully check their ballots
> (particularly "replacement" ballots) to see if they can vote on question 2.
> Otherwise, inability to vote on question 2 counts as a "no" vote.
>
>
> Given all the above problems, i would still recommend re-doing the
> process, in order to remove any doubts as to the validity of the results.
>
>
> WYn
>
>
>
> On 25 Jun 2024 6:01 PM, Christopher Hawker wrote:
>
> There's four things that I see that are either being done wrong, or could
> be done different.
>
>
>    1. Instead of calling it a consensus call, call it a vote. It's rather
>    clear that this is what it is.
>    2. Rather than requiring all chapters to nominate someone in order to
>    cast a vote, select the chapter administrator (the most senior chapter
>    delegate for that chapter) as the de-facto ChAC representative unless they
>    nominate someone. This ensures that all chapters have a ChAC representative.
>    3. Use a proper voting system (rather than a system designed for
>    surveys).
>    4. Missing or uncast votes should never be counted as a no; rather
>    they should be counted as abstentions. To regard a missing vote as either
>    in favour or against a given topic is erroneous.
>
>
> Regards,
> Christopher Hawker
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>
> <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org> on behalf of Winthrop Yu via
> Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2024 7:46 PM
> *To:* Nazar Nicholas <nnicholaski at gmail.com> <nnicholaski at gmail.com>;
> Christine Saegesser <saegesser at isoc.org> <saegesser at isoc.org>
> *Cc:* chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] IMPORTANT: vote from Chapter Advisory
> Council - please make sure you vote!
>
>
> It may be (as i was informed in my case) that certain Chapter Officer
> roles on Fonteva have expired. Strange though -- when the new AMS went
> live, i did check Fonteva out (and, as always, paid particular attention to
> the Chapter Officer roles and expiry dates). Then there was a ChAC call
> earlier this year, and i checked everything again, following the emailed
> meeting notice's advice to check ChAC reps. Well, however Fonteva expires
> Chapter Officer roles, now we know that Fonteva does not send-out email
> warnings of soon-to-expire Officer roles as the previous AMS did.
>
> Then there's the case of Amrita who is on the ChAC rep list but did not
> receive a ballot.
>
> Given the problems with Fonteva, i would recommend that this ChAC
> vote/consensus be re-done (there is a precedent for this, at that time even
> after results were in), after Chapters have been reminded to check their
> Officer roles in the AMS and confirming that the Chapters' ChAC
> representatives are registered on the AMS. Else, as a missing vote counts
> as a "no", the missing votes would skew this "consensus" and provide an
> erroneous/misleading result.
>
> Waiting for corrections to our Chapter's Officer roles/list,
>
> WYn
> PH
>
>
>
> On 25 Jun 2024 5:04 PM, Nazar Nicholas via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>
> Dear Christine,
> Tanzania Chapter is not on the list and we have not changed our
> delegate as of the last ChA Council vote. Did the migration from MemberNova
> to Fonteva affect the delegate? I don't understand🙂
>
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> On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 at 11:28, Christine Saegesser via Chapter-delegates <
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
> Hello all!
>
> The survey was indeed sent via SurveyMonkey to all current ChAC
> representatives (see list here:
> https://www.internetsociety.org/chapters/chapters-advisory-council/list-of-representatives/ -
> if your chapter is not on this list, it means your chapter does not
> currently have a ChAC representative listed in the Community Portal (AMS)
> - this is one of the officer roles there)
>
> ChAC representatives, please search your mailbox for an email from
> member at surveymonkeyuser.com (rejman at isoc.org via SurveyMonkey).
>
> If you cannot find your ballot, please check if your chapter has a ChAC
> representative listed and then reach out to chapter-support at isoc.org so
> we can work with you to ensure your Chapter’s ChAC representative has the
> ballot.
>
> We will also be in touch on this with those of you who mentioned in the
> thread below that you didn’t receive the ballot.
>
> Best,
>
> Christine
>
> *Christine Saegesser Baethge, Sr. Director Chapters and Special Interest
> Groups*
> saegesser at isoc.org
>
>
> On 25 Jun 2024, at 09:44, Eduardo Diaz via Chapter-delegates <
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
> I recommend that the ChAC-SC group take proactive steps to ensure all
> members have received their ballots. At a minimum, they should
> promptly address any chapters reporting that they have not received their
> ballots.
>
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> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 9:33 AM shah zahidur via Chapter-delegates <
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
> Its really confusing if it came like survey. couldnt find.
>
> I look forward to the ballot.
>
> Regard's
> Shah
>
>
> On 6/25/24 12:09 AM, Amrita Choudhury via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>
> I have not received the ballot yet Wyn.
>  +1 Oliview and Eduardo
>
> Regards,
>
> Amrita
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 5:38 AM Winthrop Yu via Chapter-delegates <
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
> +1 Olivier and Eduardo!
>
> Problem is -- i am the ChAC voting delegate but have not received any
> ballot. Any other ChAC voting delegates in other Chapters who
> have not received ballots?
>
> WYn
> PH
>
>
>
> On 25 Jun 2024 4:43 AM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via Chapter-delegates
> wrote:
>
> Dear Chapter Colleagues,
>
> your Chapter Advisory Council representative will have received a ballot
> in their email from
> member at surveymonkeyuser.com (rejman at isoc.org via SurveyMonkey)
>
> This is an important voting ballot. It is awkwardly called a "consensus
> call" but in fact it is a VOTE which will determine whether there is
> support from Chapters for two proposals from Internet Society Puerto Rico
> Chapter:
>
> 1. To open the Chapter Delegates Mailing List to Observers
> 2. To ask the Internet Society Board to resume funding for ISOC.LIVE
>
> Ask them to FIND THAT BALLOT IN THEIR EMAIL AND VOTE!
>
> The deadline for answering this poll will be by end of day 1 July 2024.
>
> 1. The first proposal is that the Chapter Delegate email list (
> https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/private/chapter-delegates/) should be
> opened to chapter members as observers (view only – not allowed to post) to
> enhance transparency and understanding of ongoing discussions concerning
> Internet Society chapters.
>
> The summary and presentation (3 pages) on the issue of opening the chapter
> delegate mailing list to chapter members as observers can be found here:
> https://app.box.com/file/1529389295278
>
>
> 2. The second proposal is that Internet Society funding for the ISOC LIVE
> video services and archiving services should be reinstated, and that
> Internet Society should financially support ISOC LIVE on an ongoing basis.
>
> The summary and presentation (4 pages) on the issue of funding support for
> ISOC LIVE can be found here: https://app.box.com/file/1529393003452
>
>
> - For those interested, additional compiled background material can be
> found at the following link:
> https://isoc.box.com/s/nz55gmctgti8hg5t4trjlbric1c7wogt
>
>
>
>
> I am not going to comment on the first poll as there are views for/against
> opening Chapter Delegates mailing list.
>
>
> On the other hand, the second vote about ISOC.LIVE is one where I have
> very strong views.
>
> As you know from some of the updated emails which Joly has sent to the
> Chapter Delegates mailing list, his service costs in the region of $64 000
> per annum and currently Dr. Vint Cerf is funding it out of his own pocket
> (thank you!) until August 2024. Past that date we do not know what
> will happen. It is therefore very important that we, as Chapters, ask for
> the Internet Society Board of Trustees to bring back the funding for this
> excellent resource which many Chapters have benefited from - and your
> chapter can benefit directly too! The discussion is not about "live" and
> "recorded" or whatever ISOC is trying to make you believe. It is about
> having a channel that has high production value, with captions, titles,
> names of speakers, sound and video enhancement, a full description, as well
> as publicity for your event on many external mailing lists, raising the
> profile of your chapter and increasing the number of viewers for your
> content. Joly brings 40 years of experience in that field - he
> is no amateur and the productions speak for themselves.
> Year ago, this was promoted by ISOC - in fact there was even talk of some
> video equipment to be shared with Chapters so they could stream their event
> with better quality picture etc. But in recent years, the Chapters have
> seen all of this taken away from them and replaced with... nothing but
> bureaucracy to stop them from utilising the resource.
>
> Not convinced?
> Check this: https://isoc.live/
> And this: https://livestream.com/internetsociety   - 24 000 followers
> And this too: https://livestream.com/internetsociety2
> And that: https://livestream.com/internetsociety3
> And it's all in the process of being archived for posterity at archive.org
>  !
> https://archive.org/details/isoc-live
>
> All done by one person working with the Internet Society Chapters.
>
> A bargain at $64K all included. But you might ask - "I thought ISOC does
> not have the money?"
> The Internet Society is receiving $30M per annum from PIR.
> The Internet Society foundation is receiving $30M per annum from PIR too.
> And you're telling me there is no funding for a sum that constitutes 0.21%
> of that $30M budget?
> 0.1% of the total budget Internet Society + Internet Society Foundation?
>
> Think about it and vote YES to ask the Board to reinstate funding for
> ISOC.LIVE
>
> And vote - because if you don't, it's like voting no. ISOC.LIVE will no
> longer be funded and you'll only have yourselves to blame for losing the
> opportunity to showcase your Chapter's activities.
>
> Olivier Crépin-Leblond
> (speaking on my own behalf and not on behalf of any Chapter)
>
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