[Chapter-delegates] IMPORTANT: vote from Chapter Advisory Council - please make sure you vote!
Winthrop Yu
w.yu at gmx.net
Tue Jun 25 21:32:00 PDT 2024
Thank you Judith, that's a relief to hear. I will try it as soon as i get
feedback from my Board and Officers.
WYn
PH
On 26 Jun 2024 12:17 PM, Judith Hellerstein via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>
> HI All,
>
> I believe that once you click on the question 1, it brings you to the survey
> monkey, and then you can vote on both questions. I agree it is very
> confusing. Since I already voted, I cannot see the screen and see the survey
> monkey, but I recall both questions were on the consensus call
>
>
> Best,
>
> Judith
>
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> On 6/26/24 12:10 AM, Winthrop Yu via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>>
>> +1 Christopher
>>
>>
>> In the meantime, i have received a "replacement" ballot from Rama, but it
>> seems to contain only the option to vote on question 1 (Mailing List), there
>> is no option to vote on question 2 (Joly / ISOC LIVE). I have emailed Rama
>> back about this.
>>
>>
>> I would recommend that ChAC representatives carefully check their ballots
>> (particularly "replacement" ballots) to see if they can vote on question 2.
>> Otherwise, inability to vote on question 2 counts as a "no" vote.
>>
>>
>> Given all the above problems, i would still recommend re-doing the process,
>> in order to remove any doubts as to the validity of the results.
>>
>>
>> WYn
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25 Jun 2024 6:01 PM, Christopher Hawker wrote:
>>> There's four things that I see that are either being done wrong, or could be
>>> done different.
>>>
>>> 1.
>>> Instead of calling it a consensus call, call it a vote. It's rather
>>> clear that this is what it is.
>>> 2.
>>> Rather than requiring all chapters to nominate someone in order to cast
>>> a vote, select the chapter administrator (the most senior chapter
>>> delegate for that chapter) as the de-facto ChAC representative unless
>>> they nominate someone. This ensures that all chapters have a ChAC
>>> representative.
>>> 3.
>>> Use a proper voting system (rather than a system designed for surveys).
>>> 4.
>>> Missing or uncast votes should never be counted as a no; rather they
>>> should be counted as abstentions. To regard a missing vote as either in
>>> favour or against a given topic is erroneous.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Christopher Hawker
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org> on
>>> behalf of Winthrop Yu via Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2024 7:46 PM
>>> *To:* Nazar Nicholas <nnicholaski at gmail.com>; Christine Saegesser
>>> <saegesser at isoc.org>
>>> *Cc:* chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] IMPORTANT: vote from Chapter Advisory
>>> Council - please make sure you vote!
>>>
>>> It may be (as i was informed in my case) that certain Chapter Officer roles
>>> on Fonteva have expired. Strange though -- when the new AMS went live, i did
>>> check Fonteva out (and, as always, paid particular attention to the Chapter
>>> Officer roles and expiry dates). Then there was a ChAC call earlier this
>>> year, and i checked everything again, following the emailed meeting notice's
>>> advice to check ChAC reps. Well, however Fonteva expires Chapter Officer
>>> roles, now we know that Fonteva does not send-out email warnings of
>>> soon-to-expire Officer roles as the previous AMS did.
>>>
>>> Then there's the case of Amrita who is on the ChAC rep list but did not
>>> receive a ballot.
>>>
>>> Given the problems with Fonteva, i would recommend that this ChAC
>>> vote/consensus be re-done (there is a precedent for this, at that time even
>>> after results were in), after Chapters have been reminded to check their
>>> Officer roles in the AMS and confirming that the Chapters' ChAC
>>> representatives are registered on the AMS. Else, as a missing vote counts as
>>> a "no", the missing votes would skew this "consensus" and provide an
>>> erroneous/misleading result.
>>>
>>> Waiting for corrections to our Chapter's Officer roles/list,
>>>
>>> WYn
>>> PH
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25 Jun 2024 5:04 PM, Nazar Nicholas via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>>>> Dear Christine,
>>>> Tanzania Chapter is not on the list and we have not changed our delegate as
>>>> of the last ChA Council vote. Did the migration from MemberNova to Fonteva
>>>> affect the delegate? I don't understand🙂
>>>>
>>>> *Nazar Nicholas*
>>>> *President & CEO*
>>>> *Internet Society Tanzania Chapter (ISOC-Tz)*
>>>>
>>>> *"The Internet i**s for Everyone,ONLY when it is available, affordable,and
>>>> meaningful for everyone"*
>>>> *WSIS Prize Winner 2024!*
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *National Coordinator :**Tanzania Internet Governance Forum (TzIGF)*
>>>> *Founder:Southern Africa Regional Youth School on Internet
>>>> Governance(SARYSIG),Judiciaciry Global School on Internet Governance*
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *ICT Consultant & Trainer
>>>> *
>>>> *AI Expert(Ethics)*
>>>> *IEEE Member#96674695*
>>>> *Certified Business Coach (ICF)*
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> ______________________________________
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>>>> *
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 at 11:28, Christine Saegesser via Chapter-delegates
>>>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all!
>>>>
>>>> The survey was indeed sent via SurveyMonkey to all current ChAC
>>>> representatives (see list here:
>>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/chapters/chapters-advisory-council/list-of-representatives/
>>>> <https://www.internetsociety.org/chapters/chapters-advisory-council/list-of-representatives/> -
>>>> if your chapter is not on this list, it means your chapter does not
>>>> currently have a ChAC representative listed in the Community Portal
>>>> (AMS) - this is one of the officer roles there)
>>>>
>>>> ChAC representatives, please search your mailbox for an email from
>>>> member at surveymonkeyuser.com
>>>> <mailto:member at surveymonkeyuser.com> (rejman at isoc.org
>>>> <mailto:rejman at isoc.org> via SurveyMonkey).
>>>>
>>>> If you cannot find your ballot, please check if your chapter has a ChAC
>>>> representative listed and then reach out to chapter-support at isoc.org
>>>> <mailto:chapter-support at isoc.org> so we can work with you to ensure
>>>> your Chapter’s ChAC representative has the ballot.
>>>>
>>>> We will also be in touch on this with those of you who mentioned in the
>>>> thread below that you didn’t receive the ballot.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Christine
>>>>
>>>> *Christine Saegesser Baethge, Sr. Director Chapters and Special
>>>> Interest Groups*
>>>> saegesser at isoc.org <mailto:saegesser at isoc.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 25 Jun 2024, at 09:44, Eduardo Diaz via Chapter-delegates
>>>>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I recommend that the ChAC-SC group take proactive steps to ensure all
>>>>> members have received their ballots. At a minimum, they should
>>>>> promptly address any chapters reporting that they have not received
>>>>> their ballots.
>>>>>
>>>>> -ed
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 9:33 AM shah zahidur via Chapter-delegates
>>>>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Its really confusing if it came like survey. couldnt find.
>>>>>
>>>>> I look forward to the ballot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regard's
>>>>> Shah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/25/24 12:09 AM, Amrita Choudhury via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>>>>> I have not received the ballot yet Wyn.
>>>>> +1 Oliview and Eduardo
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Amrita
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 5:38 AM Winthrop Yu via Chapter-delegates
>>>>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 Olivier and Eduardo!
>>>>>
>>>>> Problem is -- i am the ChAC voting delegate but have not received any
>>>>> ballot. Any other ChAC voting delegates in other Chapters who
>>>>> have not received ballots?
>>>>>
>>>>> WYn
>>>>> PH
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25 Jun 2024 4:43 AM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
>>>>> via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Chapter Colleagues,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> your Chapter Advisory Council representative will have received a
>>>>>> ballot in their email from
>>>>>> member at surveymonkeyuser.com
>>>>>> <mailto:member at surveymonkeyuser.com> (rejman at isoc.org
>>>>>> <mailto:rejman at isoc.org> via SurveyMonkey)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is an important voting ballot. It is awkwardly called a
>>>>>> "consensus call" but in fact it is a VOTE which
>>>>>> will determine whether there is support from Chapters for
>>>>>> two proposals from Internet Society Puerto Rico Chapter:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. To open the Chapter Delegates Mailing List to Observers
>>>>>> 2. To ask the Internet Society Board to resume funding for ISOC.LIVE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ask them to FIND THAT BALLOT IN THEIR EMAIL AND VOTE!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The deadline for answering this poll will be by end of day 1 July 2024.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. The first proposal is that the Chapter Delegate email list
>>>>>> (https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/private/chapter-delegates/
>>>>>> <https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/private/chapter-delegates/>) should be
>>>>>> opened to chapter members as observers (view only – not allowed to
>>>>>> post) to enhance transparency and understanding of ongoing
>>>>>> discussions concerning Internet Society chapters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The summary and presentation (3 pages) on the issue of opening the
>>>>>> chapter delegate mailing list to chapter members as observers can be
>>>>>> found here: https://app.box.com/file/1529389295278
>>>>>> <https://app.box.com/file/1529389295278>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. The second proposal is that Internet Society funding for the ISOC
>>>>>> LIVE video services and archiving services should be reinstated, and
>>>>>> that Internet Society should financially support ISOC LIVE on an
>>>>>> ongoing basis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The summary and presentation (4 pages) on the issue of funding
>>>>>> support for ISOC LIVE can be found here:
>>>>>> https://app.box.com/file/1529393003452
>>>>>> <https://app.box.com/file/1529393003452>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - For those interested, additional compiled background material can
>>>>>> be found at the following link:
>>>>>> https://isoc.box.com/s/nz55gmctgti8hg5t4trjlbric1c7wogt
>>>>>> <https://isoc.box.com/s/nz55gmctgti8hg5t4trjlbric1c7wogt>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not going to comment on the first poll as there are views
>>>>>> for/against opening Chapter Delegates mailing list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, the second vote about ISOC.LIVE is one where I
>>>>>> have very strong views.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you know from some of the updated emails which Joly has sent to
>>>>>> the Chapter Delegates mailing list, his service costs in the region
>>>>>> of $64 000 per annum and currently Dr. Vint Cerf is funding it out of
>>>>>> his own pocket (thank you!) until August 2024. Past that date we do
>>>>>> not know what will happen. It is therefore very important that we,
>>>>>> as Chapters, ask for the Internet Society Board of Trustees to bring
>>>>>> back the funding for this excellent resource which many Chapters have
>>>>>> benefited from - and your chapter can benefit directly too! The
>>>>>> discussion is not about "live" and "recorded" or whatever ISOC is
>>>>>> trying to make you believe. It is about having a channel that has
>>>>>> high production value, with captions, titles, names of speakers,
>>>>>> sound and video enhancement, a full description, as well as publicity
>>>>>> for your event on many external mailing lists, raising the profile of
>>>>>> your chapter and increasing the number of viewers for your content.
>>>>>> Joly brings 40 years of experience in that field - he is no amateur
>>>>>> and the productions speak for themselves.
>>>>>> Year ago, this was promoted by ISOC - in fact there was even talk of
>>>>>> some video equipment to be shared with Chapters so they could stream
>>>>>> their event with better quality picture etc. But in recent years, the
>>>>>> Chapters have seen all of this taken away from them and
>>>>>> replaced with... nothing but bureaucracy to stop them from utilising
>>>>>> the resource.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not convinced?
>>>>>> Check this: https://isoc.live/ <https://isoc.live/>
>>>>>> And this: https://livestream.com/internetsociety
>>>>>> <https://livestream.com/internetsociety> - 24 000 followers
>>>>>> And this too: https://livestream.com/internetsociety2
>>>>>> <https://livestream.com/internetsociety2>
>>>>>> And that: https://livestream.com/internetsociety3
>>>>>> <https://livestream.com/internetsociety3>
>>>>>> And it's all in the process of being archived for posterity at
>>>>>> archive.org <http://archive.org> !
>>>>>> https://archive.org/details/isoc-live
>>>>>> <https://archive.org/details/isoc-live>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All done by one person working with the Internet Society Chapters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A bargain at $64K all included. But you might ask - "I thought ISOC
>>>>>> does not have the money?"
>>>>>> The Internet Society is receiving $30M per annum from PIR.
>>>>>> The Internet Society foundation is receiving $30M per annum from PIR too.
>>>>>> And you're telling me there is no funding for a sum that constitutes
>>>>>> 0.21% of that $30M budget?
>>>>>> 0.1% of the total budget Internet Society + Internet Society Foundation?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Think about it and vote YES to ask the Board to reinstate funding for
>>>>>> ISOC.LIVE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And vote - because if you don't, it's like voting no. ISOC.LIVE will
>>>>>> no longer be funded and you'll only have yourselves to blame for
>>>>>> losing the opportunity to showcase your Chapter's activities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Olivier Crépin-Leblond
>>>>>> (speaking on my own behalf and not on behalf of any Chapter)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>
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