<div dir="ltr">Thanks Judith for this tip,<div><br></div><div>I agree on seeing the mail everyone will think it is only one question to vote on, which is quite misleading (inadvertently).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="background-color:transparent">Regards</span><br></div><div><br></div><div>Amrita</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:47 AM Judith Hellerstein via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>HI All,</p>
<p>I believe that once you click on the question 1, it brings you
to the survey monkey, and then you can vote on both questions. I
agree it is very confusing. Since I already voted, I cannot see
the screen and see the survey monkey, but I recall both questions
were on the consensus call</p>
<p><br>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
</p>
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<div>On 6/26/24 12:10 AM, Winthrop Yu via
Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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<p>+1 Christopher <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>In the meantime, i have received a "replacement" ballot from
Rama, but it seems to contain only the option to vote on
question 1 (Mailing List), there is no option to vote on
question 2 (Joly / ISOC LIVE). I have emailed Rama back about
this.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I would recommend that ChAC representatives carefully check
their ballots (particularly "replacement" ballots) to see if
they can vote on question 2. Otherwise, inability to vote on
question 2 counts as a "no" vote.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Given all the above problems, i would still recommend re-doing
the process, in order to remove any doubts as to the validity of
the results.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>WYn<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div>On 25 Jun 2024 6:01 PM, Christopher
Hawker wrote:<br>
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There's four things that I see that are either being done
wrong, or could be done different.</div>
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Instead of calling it a consensus call, call it a vote.
It's rather clear that this is what it is.</div>
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Rather than requiring all chapters to nominate someone in
order to cast a vote, select the chapter administrator
(the most senior chapter delegate for that chapter) as the
de-facto ChAC representative unless they nominate someone.
This ensures that all chapters have a ChAC representative.</div>
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Use a proper voting system (rather than a system designed
for surveys).</div>
</li>
<li style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Missing or uncast votes should never be counted as a no;
rather they should be counted as abstentions. To regard a
missing vote as either in favour or against a given topic
is erroneous.</div>
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Regards,</div>
<div style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Christopher Hawker<br>
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on behalf of Winthrop Yu via Chapter-delegates <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 25, 2024 7:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nazar Nicholas <a href="mailto:nnicholaski@gmail.com" target="_blank"><nnicholaski@gmail.com></a>;
Christine Saegesser <a href="mailto:saegesser@isoc.org" target="_blank"><saegesser@isoc.org></a><br>
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<p>It may be (as i was informed in my case) that certain
Chapter Officer roles on Fonteva have expired. Strange
though -- when the new AMS went live, i did check Fonteva
out (and, as always, paid particular attention to the
Chapter Officer roles and expiry dates). Then there was a
ChAC call earlier this year, and i checked everything again,
following the emailed meeting notice's advice to check ChAC
reps. Well, however Fonteva expires Chapter Officer roles,
now we know that Fonteva does not send-out email warnings of
soon-to-expire Officer roles as the previous AMS did.<br>
<br>
</p>
<p>Then there's the case of Amrita who is on the ChAC rep list
but did not receive a ballot.<br>
<br>
</p>
<p>Given the problems with Fonteva, i would recommend that
this ChAC vote/consensus be re-done (there is a precedent
for this, at that time even after results were in), after
Chapters have been reminded to check their Officer roles in
the AMS and confirming that the Chapters' ChAC
representatives are registered on the AMS. Else, as a
missing vote counts as a "no", the missing votes would skew
this "consensus" and provide an erroneous/misleading result.<br>
<br>
</p>
<p>Waiting for corrections to our Chapter's Officer
roles/list,<br>
<br>
</p>
<p>WYn<br>
PH<br>
</p>
<p><br>
<br>
</p>
<div>On 25 Jun 2024 5:04 PM, Nazar
Nicholas via Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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Dear Christine,</div>
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Tanzania Chapter is not on the list and we have not
changed our delegate as of the last ChA Council vote.
Did the migration from MemberNova to Fonteva affect the
delegate? I don't understand🙂</div>
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11:28, Christine Saegesser via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hello all!<br>
<br>
The survey was indeed sent via SurveyMonkey to all
current ChAC representatives (see list here: <a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/chapters/chapters-advisory-council/list-of-representatives/" target="_blank">
https://www.internetsociety.org/chapters/chapters-advisory-council/list-of-representatives/</a> -
if your chapter is not on this list, it means your
chapter does not currently have a ChAC representative
listed in the Community Portal (AMS) - this is one of
the officer roles there)
<div><br>
ChAC representatives, please search your mailbox for
an email from <a href="mailto:member@surveymonkeyuser.com" target="_blank">member@surveymonkeyuser.com</a> (<a href="mailto:rejman@isoc.org" target="_blank">rejman@isoc.org</a> via
SurveyMonkey). <br>
<br>
If you cannot find your ballot, please check if your
chapter has a ChAC representative listed and then
reach out to <a href="mailto:chapter-support@isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-support@isoc.org</a> so
we can work with you to ensure your Chapter’s ChAC
representative has the ballot. </div>
<div><br>
<div>We will also be in touch on this with those of
you who mentioned in the thread below that you
didn’t receive the ballot. <br>
<br>
Best, <br>
<br>
Christine <br>
<br>
<div><b>Christine Saegesser Baethge, Sr. Director
Chapters and Special Interest Groups</b><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On 25 Jun 2024, at 09:44,
Eduardo Diaz via Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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I recommend that the ChAC-SC group take
proactive steps to ensure all members have
received their ballots. At a minimum, they
should promptly address any chapters reporting
that they have not received their ballots.<br>
<br>
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On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 9:33 AM shah zahidur via
Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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Its really confusing if it came like survey.
couldnt find.<br>
<br>
I look forward to the ballot.<br>
<br>
Regard's<br>
Shah <br>
<div><br>
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On 6/25/24 12:09 AM, Amrita Choudhury via
Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
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I have not received the ballot yet Wyn.<br>
+1 Oliview and Eduardo<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Amrita<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 5:38 AM Winthrop Yu via
Chapter-delegates <<a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org" target="_blank">chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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+1 Olivier and Eduardo! <br>
<br>
Problem is -- i am the ChAC voting delegate but
have not received any ballot. Any other ChAC
voting delegates in other Chapters who
have not received ballots? <br>
<br>
WYn<br>
PH<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 25 Jun 2024 4:43 AM, Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond via Chapter-delegates wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">
Dear Chapter Colleagues,<br>
<br>
your Chapter Advisory Council representative
will have received a ballot in their email
from <br>
<a href="mailto:member@surveymonkeyuser.com" target="_blank">member@surveymonkeyuser.com</a> (<a href="mailto:rejman@isoc.org" target="_blank">rejman@isoc.org</a> via
SurveyMonkey)<br>
<br>
This is an important voting ballot. It is
awkwardly called a "consensus call" but in
fact it is a VOTE which will determine whether
there is support from Chapters for
two proposals from Internet Society Puerto
Rico Chapter:<br>
<br>
1. To open the Chapter Delegates Mailing List
to Observers<br>
2. To ask the Internet Society Board to resume
funding for ISOC.LIVE<br>
<br>
Ask them to FIND THAT BALLOT IN THEIR EMAIL
AND VOTE!<br>
<br>
The deadline for answering this poll will be
by end of day 1 July 2024.<br>
<br>
1. The first proposal is that the
Chapter Delegate email list (<a href="https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/private/chapter-delegates/" target="_blank">https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/private/chapter-delegates/</a>) should be
opened to chapter members as observers
(view only – not allowed to post) to enhance
transparency and understanding of ongoing
discussions concerning Internet Society
chapters.<br>
<br>
The summary and presentation (3 pages) on the
issue of opening the chapter delegate mailing
list to chapter members as observers can be
found here: <a href="https://app.box.com/file/1529389295278" target="_blank">https://app.box.com/file/1529389295278</a><br>
<br>
<br>
2. The second proposal is that
Internet Society funding for the ISOC LIVE
video services and archiving services should
be reinstated, and that Internet Society
should financially support ISOC LIVE on an
ongoing basis.<br>
<br>
The summary and presentation (4 pages) on the
issue of funding support for ISOC LIVE can be
found here: <a href="https://app.box.com/file/1529393003452" target="_blank">https://app.box.com/file/1529393003452</a><br>
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<br>
- For those interested, additional compiled
background material can be found at the
following link: <a href="https://isoc.box.com/s/nz55gmctgti8hg5t4trjlbric1c7wogt" target="_blank">https://isoc.box.com/s/nz55gmctgti8hg5t4trjlbric1c7wogt</a><br>
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<br>
I am not going to comment on the first poll as
there are views for/against opening Chapter
Delegates mailing list.<br>
<br>
<br>
On the other hand, the second vote about
ISOC.LIVE is one where I have very strong
views. <br>
<br>
As you know from some of the updated emails
which Joly has sent to the Chapter Delegates
mailing list, his service costs in the region
of $64 000 per annum and currently Dr. Vint
Cerf is funding it out of his own pocket
(thank you!) until August 2024. Past that date
we do not know what will happen. It is
therefore very important that we, as Chapters,
ask for the Internet Society Board of
Trustees to bring back the funding for this
excellent resource which many Chapters have
benefited from - and your chapter can benefit
directly too! The discussion is not
about "live" and "recorded" or whatever ISOC
is trying to make you believe. It is about
having a channel that has high production
value, with captions, titles, names
of speakers, sound and video enhancement, a
full description, as well as publicity for
your event on many external mailing lists,
raising the profile of your chapter
and increasing the number of viewers for your
content. Joly brings 40 years of experience in
that field - he is no amateur and the
productions speak for themselves.<br>
Year ago, this was promoted by ISOC - in fact
there was even talk of some video equipment to
be shared with Chapters so they could stream
their event with better quality picture etc.
But in recent years, the Chapters have seen
all of this taken away from them and
replaced with... nothing but bureaucracy to
stop them from utilising the resource. <br>
<br>
Not convinced?<br>
Check this: <a href="https://isoc.live/" target="_blank">https://isoc.live/</a><br>
And this: <a href="https://livestream.com/internetsociety" target="_blank">https://livestream.com/internetsociety</a> -
24 000 followers<br>
And this too: <a href="https://livestream.com/internetsociety2" target="_blank">https://livestream.com/internetsociety2</a><br>
And that: <a href="https://livestream.com/internetsociety3" target="_blank">https://livestream.com/internetsociety3</a><br>
And it's all in the process of being archived
for posterity at <a href="http://archive.org" target="_blank">archive.org</a> !<br>
<a href="https://archive.org/details/isoc-live" target="_blank">https://archive.org/details/isoc-live</a><br>
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All done by one person working with the
Internet Society Chapters.<br>
<br>
A bargain at $64K all included. But you might
ask - "I thought ISOC does not have the
money?"<br>
The Internet Society is receiving $30M per
annum from PIR.<br>
The Internet Society foundation is receiving
$30M per annum from PIR too.<br>
And you're telling me there is no funding for
a sum that constitutes 0.21% of that $30M
budget?<br>
0.1% of the total budget Internet Society +
Internet Society Foundation?<br>
<br>
Think about it and vote YES to ask the Board
to reinstate funding for ISOC.LIVE<br>
<br>
And vote - because if you don't, it's like
voting no. ISOC.LIVE will no longer be funded
and you'll only have yourselves to blame for
losing the opportunity to showcase your
Chapter's activities.<br>
<br>
Olivier Crépin-Leblond<br>
(speaking on my own behalf and not on behalf
of any Chapter)<br>
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