[Chapter-delegates] IMPORTANT: vote from Chapter Advisory Council - please make sure you vote!
Judith Hellerstein
judith at jhellerstein.com
Tue Jun 25 21:17:39 PDT 2024
HI All,
I believe that once you click on the question 1, it brings you to the survey
monkey, and then you can vote on both questions. I agree it is very
confusing. Since I already voted, I cannot see the screen and see the survey
monkey, but I recall both questions were on the consensus call
Best,
Judith
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On 6/26/24 12:10 AM, Winthrop Yu via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>
> +1 Christopher
>
>
> In the meantime, i have received a "replacement" ballot from Rama, but it
> seems to contain only the option to vote on question 1 (Mailing List), there
> is no option to vote on question 2 (Joly / ISOC LIVE). I have emailed Rama
> back about this.
>
>
> I would recommend that ChAC representatives carefully check their ballots
> (particularly "replacement" ballots) to see if they can vote on question 2.
> Otherwise, inability to vote on question 2 counts as a "no" vote.
>
>
> Given all the above problems, i would still recommend re-doing the process, in
> order to remove any doubts as to the validity of the results.
>
>
> WYn
>
>
>
> On 25 Jun 2024 6:01 PM, Christopher Hawker wrote:
>> There's four things that I see that are either being done wrong, or could be
>> done different.
>>
>> 1.
>> Instead of calling it a consensus call, call it a vote. It's rather clear
>> that this is what it is.
>> 2.
>> Rather than requiring all chapters to nominate someone in order to cast a
>> vote, select the chapter administrator (the most senior chapter delegate
>> for that chapter) as the de-facto ChAC representative unless they
>> nominate someone. This ensures that all chapters have a ChAC representative.
>> 3.
>> Use a proper voting system (rather than a system designed for surveys).
>> 4.
>> Missing or uncast votes should never be counted as a no; rather they
>> should be counted as abstentions. To regard a missing vote as either in
>> favour or against a given topic is erroneous.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Christopher Hawker
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org> on
>> behalf of Winthrop Yu via Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2024 7:46 PM
>> *To:* Nazar Nicholas <nnicholaski at gmail.com>; Christine Saegesser
>> <saegesser at isoc.org>
>> *Cc:* chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] IMPORTANT: vote from Chapter Advisory
>> Council - please make sure you vote!
>>
>> It may be (as i was informed in my case) that certain Chapter Officer roles
>> on Fonteva have expired. Strange though -- when the new AMS went live, i did
>> check Fonteva out (and, as always, paid particular attention to the Chapter
>> Officer roles and expiry dates). Then there was a ChAC call earlier this
>> year, and i checked everything again, following the emailed meeting notice's
>> advice to check ChAC reps. Well, however Fonteva expires Chapter Officer
>> roles, now we know that Fonteva does not send-out email warnings of
>> soon-to-expire Officer roles as the previous AMS did.
>>
>> Then there's the case of Amrita who is on the ChAC rep list but did not
>> receive a ballot.
>>
>> Given the problems with Fonteva, i would recommend that this ChAC
>> vote/consensus be re-done (there is a precedent for this, at that time even
>> after results were in), after Chapters have been reminded to check their
>> Officer roles in the AMS and confirming that the Chapters' ChAC
>> representatives are registered on the AMS. Else, as a missing vote counts as
>> a "no", the missing votes would skew this "consensus" and provide an
>> erroneous/misleading result.
>>
>> Waiting for corrections to our Chapter's Officer roles/list,
>>
>> WYn
>> PH
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25 Jun 2024 5:04 PM, Nazar Nicholas via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>>> Dear Christine,
>>> Tanzania Chapter is not on the list and we have not changed our delegate as
>>> of the last ChA Council vote. Did the migration from MemberNova to Fonteva
>>> affect the delegate? I don't understand🙂
>>>
>>> *Nazar Nicholas*
>>> *President & CEO*
>>> *Internet Society Tanzania Chapter (ISOC-Tz)*
>>>
>>> *"The Internet i**s for Everyone,ONLY when it is available, affordable,and
>>> meaningful for everyone"*
>>> *WSIS Prize Winner 2024!*
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *National Coordinator :**Tanzania Internet Governance Forum (TzIGF)*
>>> *Founder:Southern Africa Regional Youth School on Internet
>>> Governance(SARYSIG),Judiciaciry Global School on Internet Governance*
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *ICT Consultant & Trainer
>>> *
>>> *AI Expert(Ethics)*
>>> *IEEE Member#96674695*
>>> *Certified Business Coach (ICF)*
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 at 11:28, Christine Saegesser via Chapter-delegates
>>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all!
>>>
>>> The survey was indeed sent via SurveyMonkey to all current ChAC
>>> representatives (see list here:
>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/chapters/chapters-advisory-council/list-of-representatives/
>>> <https://www.internetsociety.org/chapters/chapters-advisory-council/list-of-representatives/> -
>>> if your chapter is not on this list, it means your chapter does not
>>> currently have a ChAC representative listed in the Community Portal
>>> (AMS) - this is one of the officer roles there)
>>>
>>> ChAC representatives, please search your mailbox for an email from
>>> member at surveymonkeyuser.com
>>> <mailto:member at surveymonkeyuser.com> (rejman at isoc.org
>>> <mailto:rejman at isoc.org> via SurveyMonkey).
>>>
>>> If you cannot find your ballot, please check if your chapter has a ChAC
>>> representative listed and then reach out to chapter-support at isoc.org
>>> <mailto:chapter-support at isoc.org> so we can work with you to ensure your
>>> Chapter’s ChAC representative has the ballot.
>>>
>>> We will also be in touch on this with those of you who mentioned in the
>>> thread below that you didn’t receive the ballot.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Christine
>>>
>>> *Christine Saegesser Baethge, Sr. Director Chapters and Special Interest
>>> Groups*
>>> saegesser at isoc.org <mailto:saegesser at isoc.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 25 Jun 2024, at 09:44, Eduardo Diaz via Chapter-delegates
>>>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I recommend that the ChAC-SC group take proactive steps to ensure all
>>>> members have received their ballots. At a minimum, they should
>>>> promptly address any chapters reporting that they have not received
>>>> their ballots.
>>>>
>>>> -ed
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 9:33 AM shah zahidur via Chapter-delegates
>>>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Its really confusing if it came like survey. couldnt find.
>>>>
>>>> I look forward to the ballot.
>>>>
>>>> Regard's
>>>> Shah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/25/24 12:09 AM, Amrita Choudhury via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>>>> I have not received the ballot yet Wyn.
>>>> +1 Oliview and Eduardo
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Amrita
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 5:38 AM Winthrop Yu via Chapter-delegates
>>>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1 Olivier and Eduardo!
>>>>
>>>> Problem is -- i am the ChAC voting delegate but have not received any
>>>> ballot. Any other ChAC voting delegates in other Chapters who
>>>> have not received ballots?
>>>>
>>>> WYn
>>>> PH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 25 Jun 2024 4:43 AM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via Chapter-delegates
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Dear Chapter Colleagues,
>>>>>
>>>>> your Chapter Advisory Council representative will have received a
>>>>> ballot in their email from
>>>>> member at surveymonkeyuser.com
>>>>> <mailto:member at surveymonkeyuser.com> (rejman at isoc.org
>>>>> <mailto:rejman at isoc.org> via SurveyMonkey)
>>>>>
>>>>> This is an important voting ballot. It is awkwardly called a
>>>>> "consensus call" but in fact it is a VOTE which will determine whether
>>>>> there is support from Chapters for two proposals from Internet Society
>>>>> Puerto Rico Chapter:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. To open the Chapter Delegates Mailing List to Observers
>>>>> 2. To ask the Internet Society Board to resume funding for ISOC.LIVE
>>>>>
>>>>> Ask them to FIND THAT BALLOT IN THEIR EMAIL AND VOTE!
>>>>>
>>>>> The deadline for answering this poll will be by end of day 1 July 2024.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. The first proposal is that the Chapter Delegate email list
>>>>> (https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/private/chapter-delegates/
>>>>> <https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/private/chapter-delegates/>) should be
>>>>> opened to chapter members as observers (view only – not allowed to
>>>>> post) to enhance transparency and understanding of ongoing discussions
>>>>> concerning Internet Society chapters.
>>>>>
>>>>> The summary and presentation (3 pages) on the issue of opening the
>>>>> chapter delegate mailing list to chapter members as observers can be
>>>>> found here: https://app.box.com/file/1529389295278
>>>>> <https://app.box.com/file/1529389295278>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. The second proposal is that Internet Society funding for the ISOC
>>>>> LIVE video services and archiving services should be reinstated, and
>>>>> that Internet Society should financially support ISOC LIVE on an
>>>>> ongoing basis.
>>>>>
>>>>> The summary and presentation (4 pages) on the issue of funding support
>>>>> for ISOC LIVE can be found here:
>>>>> https://app.box.com/file/1529393003452
>>>>> <https://app.box.com/file/1529393003452>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - For those interested, additional compiled background material can be
>>>>> found at the following link:
>>>>> https://isoc.box.com/s/nz55gmctgti8hg5t4trjlbric1c7wogt
>>>>> <https://isoc.box.com/s/nz55gmctgti8hg5t4trjlbric1c7wogt>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not going to comment on the first poll as there are views
>>>>> for/against opening Chapter Delegates mailing list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, the second vote about ISOC.LIVE is one where I have
>>>>> very strong views.
>>>>>
>>>>> As you know from some of the updated emails which Joly has sent to the
>>>>> Chapter Delegates mailing list, his service costs in the region of $64
>>>>> 000 per annum and currently Dr. Vint Cerf is funding it out of his own
>>>>> pocket (thank you!) until August 2024. Past that date we do not know
>>>>> what will happen. It is therefore very important that we, as Chapters,
>>>>> ask for the Internet Society Board of Trustees to bring back the
>>>>> funding for this excellent resource which many Chapters have benefited
>>>>> from - and your chapter can benefit directly too! The discussion is
>>>>> not about "live" and "recorded" or whatever ISOC is trying to make you
>>>>> believe. It is about having a channel that has high production value,
>>>>> with captions, titles, names of speakers, sound and video enhancement,
>>>>> a full description, as well as publicity for your event on many
>>>>> external mailing lists, raising the profile of your chapter
>>>>> and increasing the number of viewers for your content. Joly brings 40
>>>>> years of experience in that field - he is no amateur and the
>>>>> productions speak for themselves.
>>>>> Year ago, this was promoted by ISOC - in fact there was even talk of
>>>>> some video equipment to be shared with Chapters so they could stream
>>>>> their event with better quality picture etc. But in recent years, the
>>>>> Chapters have seen all of this taken away from them and
>>>>> replaced with... nothing but bureaucracy to stop them from utilising
>>>>> the resource.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not convinced?
>>>>> Check this: https://isoc.live/ <https://isoc.live/>
>>>>> And this: https://livestream.com/internetsociety
>>>>> <https://livestream.com/internetsociety> - 24 000 followers
>>>>> And this too: https://livestream.com/internetsociety2
>>>>> <https://livestream.com/internetsociety2>
>>>>> And that: https://livestream.com/internetsociety3
>>>>> <https://livestream.com/internetsociety3>
>>>>> And it's all in the process of being archived for posterity at
>>>>> archive.org <http://archive.org> !
>>>>> https://archive.org/details/isoc-live
>>>>> <https://archive.org/details/isoc-live>
>>>>>
>>>>> All done by one person working with the Internet Society Chapters.
>>>>>
>>>>> A bargain at $64K all included. But you might ask - "I thought ISOC
>>>>> does not have the money?"
>>>>> The Internet Society is receiving $30M per annum from PIR.
>>>>> The Internet Society foundation is receiving $30M per annum from PIR too.
>>>>> And you're telling me there is no funding for a sum that constitutes
>>>>> 0.21% of that $30M budget?
>>>>> 0.1% of the total budget Internet Society + Internet Society Foundation?
>>>>>
>>>>> Think about it and vote YES to ask the Board to reinstate funding for
>>>>> ISOC.LIVE
>>>>>
>>>>> And vote - because if you don't, it's like voting no. ISOC.LIVE will
>>>>> no longer be funded and you'll only have yourselves to blame for
>>>>> losing the opportunity to showcase your Chapter's activities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Olivier Crépin-Leblond
>>>>> (speaking on my own behalf and not on behalf of any Chapter)
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>
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