[Chapter-delegates] Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter

[Christian de Larrinaga]

The simplest scenario is where data subject, the terms of membership
agreement and the manager of the database are in the same jurisdiction.
The most complex is where they are each in separate jurisdictions.

That would be the most complex until you realise that chapters have
their own terms, jurisdiction and data manager needs. Then consider ISOC
requires chapters to manage the members who sign up directly at ISOC and
also tick the chapter box.  Clearly there is a potential for multiple
conflicts from this matrix of possible responsibilities.

A further complication I've seen from ISOC staff has been that all
chapter members must be ISOC members.  That has caused some contortions
on this list. I think this requirement is a bit of a remnant from the
time when ISOC had members. It should now be enough for all subscribers
whether recruited via the internetsociety.org site or via a chapter to
sign up to an agreed mission that is shared throughout the ISOC
community and be on an email list.

Maybe it is time for a general principle? I recommend this community
should eat its own policy dog food and deploy services that really do
put the user in control. I'll declare an interest. I'm involved with a
new Community Internet Company in the UK which is deploying services
with that in mind. I'm more than happy to advise, build or otherwise
assist dotting the i's etc to explore the options.


Christian

> Veni Markovski
> 22 October 2013 13:05
> This is problematic, if you think about EU legislation, aiming exactly
at hosting personal data on US servers...
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> Grigori Saghyan
> 22 October 2013 13:01
> Dear All,
> May be it is possible to bypass some of legal problems with AMS if
> each Chapter will sign an agreement with ISOC HQ for outsourcing
> database services for each Chapter.
> Grigori Saghyan
> ISOC.AM
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> Borka Jerman Blazic
> 22 October 2013 12:41
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> I am confident too that the officers would like to help.
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> First fix the technical issues. This must be easy (enable editing in
AMS, enable automatic renewal,
> enable reminder messages ect., make the AMS user friendly). Make the
funding of chapter events appropriate
> regarding the locations and regarding the specified Costs supported
with relevant evidences (with some reasonable restrictions).
> Make the EU regional Bureau work with the chapters, the week clippings
are good but this is not
> what is expected. Then we may continue to other more difficult issues.
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> Regards,
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> Borka
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> p.s. I am not very sure that all these costly HQ surveys among the
membership provide sufficiently relevant information.
> So far no evidence of their usefulness!
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> Veni Markovski
> 22 October 2013 11:23
> If it was easy, we wouldn't be discussing it for so long, Carlos :)
> But then, if it was easy, it won't be fun.
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> I am confident that Joyce and Ted, together with Jacek, and others at
the HQ would figure out a safe exit (and certainly from the reaction to
John More's email I see that chapters are positively looking towards
helping the HQ.
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> info at isoc.org.ec
> 22 October 2013 11:04
> As I see we have a mix of issues from operational ones to sovereignty
in different discussions in the list.
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> Very complicated situation
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> Carlos Vera
>
> Internet Society Ecuador
> www.isoc.org.ec
> Síguenos @isocec
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