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text="#000000"><div style="font-family: Avenir Next;">The simplest
scenario is where data subject, the terms of membership agreement and
the manager of the database are in the same jurisdiction. The most
complex is where they are each in separate jurisdictions. <br><br>That
would be the most complex until you realise that chapters have their own
terms, jurisdiction and data manager needs. Then consider ISOC requires
chapters to manage the members who sign up directly at ISOC and also
tick the chapter box. Clearly there is a potential for multiple
conflicts from this matrix of possible responsibilities.<br><br>A
further complication I've seen from ISOC staff has been that all chapter
members must be ISOC members. That has caused some contortions on this
list. I think this requirement is a bit of a remnant from the time when
ISOC had members. It should now be enough for all subscribers whether
recruited via the internetsociety.org site or via a chapter to sign up
to an agreed mission that is shared throughout the ISOC community and be
on an email list. <br><br>Maybe it is time for a general principle? I
recommend this community should eat its own policy dog food and deploy
services that really do put the user in control. I'll declare an
interest. I'm involved with a new Community Internet Company in the UK
which is deploying services with that in mind. I'm more than happy to
advise, build or otherwise assist dotting the i's etc to explore the
options. <br><br><br>Christian <br><br><span style="white-space: pre;">>
Veni Markovski<br>> 22 October 2013 13:05<br>> This is
problematic, if you think about EU legislation, aiming exactly at
hosting personal data on US servers...<br>><br>> v.<br>><br>><br>><br>>
Grigori Saghyan<br>> 22 October 2013 13:01</span><br><blockquote
type="cite">Dear All,<br>May be it is possible to bypass some of legal
problems with AMS if<br>each Chapter will sign an agreement with ISOC HQ
for outsourcing<br>database services for each Chapter.<br>Grigori
Saghyan<br>ISOC.AM<br><br><br><br></blockquote><span style="white-space:
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Chapter Portal (AMS): <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a><br>> Borka Jerman
Blazic<br>> 22 October 2013 12:41<br>><br>> I am confident too
that the officers would like to help.<br>><br>> First fix the
technical issues. This must be easy (enable editing in AMS, enable
automatic renewal,<br>> enable reminder messages ect., make the AMS
user friendly). Make the funding of chapter events appropriate<br>>
regarding the locations and regarding the specified Costs supported
with relevant evidences (with some reasonable restrictions).<br>>
Make the EU regional Bureau work with the chapters, the week clippings
are good but this is not<br>> what is expected. Then we may
continue to other more difficult issues.<br>><br>> Regards,<br>><br>>
Borka<br>><br>> p.s. I am not very sure that all these costly HQ
surveys among the membership provide sufficiently relevant information.<br>>
So far no evidence of their usefulness!<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>
Veni Markovski<br>> 22 October 2013 11:23<br>> If it was easy, we
wouldn't be discussing it for so long, Carlos :)<br>> But then, if
it was easy, it won't be fun.<br>><br>><br>> I am confident
that Joyce and Ted, together with Jacek, and others at the HQ would
figure out a safe exit (and certainly from the reaction to John More's
email I see that chapters are positively looking towards helping the HQ.<br>><br>><br>>
v.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info@isoc.org.ec">info@isoc.org.ec</a><br>> 22
October 2013 11:04<br>> As I see we have a mix of issues from
operational ones to sovereignty in different discussions in the list.<br>><br>>
Very complicated situation<br>><br>> Carlos Vera<br>><br>>
Internet Society Ecuador<br>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.isoc.org.ec">www.isoc.org.ec</a><br>> Síguenos
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