[ih] "The Great Debate"

[Carl Malamud]

John -

I was simply asking if anybody had an audiocassette tape I could digitize
as part of my research for a new book I'm working on. I didn't realize that
the mere mention of Marshall was a violation of the terms of use of this
list. Are there other names I should avoid mentioning, some kind of a
Internet History Voldermort Enumeration I should be made aware of before I
commit further infractions?

Carl


On Sun, Apr 26, 2026 at 7:04 AM John Day <jeanjour at comcast.net> wrote:

> I always considered Marshall’s ISODE implementation as a classical example
> of of how not to implement OSI. It was so bad, I always considered it more
> an attempt to trash OSI than promote it. We had implementations orders of
> magnitude smaller and faster.
>
> Yes there was a lot of crap in in the standards forced on it by the
> Europeans and their PTTs. It was important to know what to ignore. But then
> that was not Marshall’s intent.
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2026, at 09:34, Dave Crocker <dhc at dcrocker.net> wrote:
>
> On 4/26/2026 6:15 AM, John Day via Internet-history wrote:
>
> That must have been an interesting debate considering neither one of them was participating in OSI or had any idea what was going on.
>
>
> The OSI world had a basic difficulty gaining operational experience, the
> way the Internet community did.  Marshall's ISODE package did more for
> helping OSI applications to get field experience than anything that came
> from within the OSI community.
>
> en.wikipedia.org
>
> ISO Development Environment - Wikipedia
>
> 🔗 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_Development_Environment
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_Development_Environment>
>
>
> If remember correctly, this event was the one that Marshall presented
> first and when it was Paul's turn, he said he'd just use Marshall's
> slides.  Marshall said that as soon as Paul said that, he knew Paul would
> trounce him...
>
>
> d/
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