[ih] Correct name for early TCP/IP working group?

[Brian E Carpenter]

Jack,

Back when 95% (or whatever the exact fraction is) of email wasn't spam,
mailing list operators didn't have to do anything special. But today,
every mailing list operator has to either do a number of things that
involve munging messages in one way or another, to avoid anti-spam
mechanisms used by all the major email provders, or give up and close
the lists. An expert on this such as John Levine could explain many
of those munging mechanisms, so I won't try. But ISOC's choice is to
rewrite the nominal sender of the mail to match the actual sender, i.e.
    Jack Haverty via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org>
for your messages, so naturally they will not be signed by you when they
reach subscribers. That's "doing it right" in the era of pervasive spam.

As for:

>>> Large items should be posted via links to other storage sites.

Surely people here of all people are aware that mailing list archives
are a very poor method of digital conservation. For example, many
(probably most) IETF WG mail archives prior to the lists being hosted
at ietf.org are incomplete or lost.

Regards
    Brian Carpenter

On 01-Feb-25 08:10, Jack Haverty via Internet-history wrote:
> Thanks, Joe.  I didn't remember ISOC's specific limitations until I got
> the rejection report, which said the message was too big.   So I quickly
> converted the photo into a smaller size of 80KB, to fit well within the
> 400KB constraint, and resent it.  The second try made it through the
> list server, but the image was stripped away with no indication that it
> had ever been there.  I realize you can't do anything about it and
> sympathize.
> 
> Apparently the ISOC service silently censors and alters messages as they
> pass through.   The recipients don't get what I sent.  It also breaks my
> digital signature.   I'm disappointed that ISOC, as parent of the
> Engineering arm of the Internet, doesn't use its own services as
> showcase models of "best practice" to demonstrate how to "do it right",
> as ARPA, NSF, et al did back in the early days of the Internet.
> 
> Jack Haverty
> 
> On 1/31/25 07:40, touch at strayalpha.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2025, at 11:27 PM, Jack Haverty via Internet-history
>>> <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> [trying again... furst try was rejected "Message too big."   The
>>> Internet can now handle gigabit speeds, but apparently not emails
>>> more than 400 kilobytes?]
>>
>> That’s correct; as has been noted before, this list is for discussions
>> but is not a storage archive.
>>
>> Large items should be posted via links to other storage sites.
>>
>> Joe (list admin)
> 
>