[ih] History from 1960s to 2025

[Karl Auerbach]

I largely agree with the assessment about China's New IP.

However a couple of points:

1. There may be good ideas in NewIP.  Let's look for those ideas and 
consider whether they can be adopted to the exiting Internet world.

2. China has backed off on its "Belt and Road" and "New Silk Road" 
activities, but they could well resume.  Those activities involve a lot 
of funding for projects in "Southern" nations around the world.  As such 
China has a lever to induce adherence to NewIP - and a big company 
willing to provide the technology - Huawei. This is a bigger lever to 
induce adoption than was ever held by IPv6, or by ISO/OSI via GOSIP, 
MAP, and TOP.

In a larger sense, our world of protocols is slowly becoming 
irrelevant.  We have seen how telco's have adopted protocol service 
interfaces from the IP world and replaced the underlying machinery.  So 
far this has been at roughly the IP-to-whatever-is-under-IP boundary, 
but it can creep upwards.

My point in that paragraph above is that from the point of view of many 
consumers/users of the Internet the world is less end-to-end principle 
of IP packets and more about people's favorite applications working 
(without regard for the quality or elegance of the underlying protocol 
plumbing.)

That change in perspective makes it a lot easier to slide in a new 
protocol family, like NewIP.

There is another force that may be simply a figment of my imagination: 
20+ years ago there was a definite international resentment of US 
hegemony over the Internet.  That resentment has, I believe, quite 
properly faded.  But I fear that it may have left some lingering traces 
that could well become inflamed due to the actions of the present US 
government.

         --karl--


On 12/17/25 8:55 PM, Brian E Carpenter via Internet-history wrote:
> Cutting to the chase:
>
> On 18-Dec-25 11:17, Jack Haverty via Internet-history wrote:
> ...
>
>> - 2026: China creates initiative to define a "New IP" to meet the needs
>> of the future; begins deployment of associated new technology in
>> countries which have embraced the initiative.
>
> I don't think so. So far, "New IP" has no discernible traction. The term
> has been around since October 2019 to my personal knowledge, but 
> there's no
> open technology behind the phrase.
>
> We may well see attempts to deploy detnet (deterministic networking) 
> soon;
> at least it has a bunch of RFCs. I also expect some real-world use of 
> AI LLMs
> for network management, traffic engineering, etc. quite soon.
>
> Of course China will be part of it all; why not?
>
>    Brian