[ih] Where it All Started: Panel Discussion on the Birth of the European Internet [RIPE NCC - South East Europe 12 Meeting in Athens, Greece]

[John Day]

That was the case in the 1970s as well, but we never let a little thing laws get in the way.

That is how we were the largest user of the 360/95 at the Rutherford Higher Energy Lab in Cambridge UK. Physicists were moving files from CERN to Rutherford to Illinois (UIUC) and then tapes were taken up to Argonne and a little later Batavia (FermiLab).

Take care,
John 


> On Jun 14, 2024, at 11:41, Daniele Bovio via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> 
> Julf,
> In 1984, when EARN was established, it was illegal in Europe to provide network services amongst different institutions/corporations within countries and across the borders because the PTTs had the monopoly of voice and data transport, so nobody could legally lease circuits amongst an heterogeneous number of sites and offer data transport services. As a matter of fact the EARN management was approached by the CEPT (the European cooperation structure of the PTTs) threatening to shut the operations down exactly for that reason. The EARN Board argued that  the purpose of the network was to allow scientists to communicate with each other, i.e. one homogeneous group: the Research and Academic Community, and eventually after a lot of arguing the CEPT allowed EARN to continue to operate. 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Daniele Bovio
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Internet-history [mailto:internet-history-bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via Internet-history
> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2024 4:11 PM
> To: Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>; internet-history at elists.isoc.org
> Subject: Re: [ih] Where it All Started: Panel Discussion on the Birth of the European Internet [RIPE NCC - South East Europe 12 Meeting in Athens, Greece]
> 
> Thanks for sharing.
> 
> In response to Julf's point --- wasn't it all academic to start with?
> In the early days, academia was leading in a few countries and EARN/NETNORTH/BITNET interfacing with local networks like JANET (where I "lived").
> The only alternative at the time was UUCP. (we're talking 1985-88) Kindest regards,
> 
> Olivier
> 
> On 13/06/2024 14:23, Johan Helsingius via Internet-history wrote:
>> Yes, very interesting discussion, but very biased towards the academic 
>> networks (understandable given the event and the panelists).
>> 
>>    Julf
>> 
>> On 13/06/2024 14:16, Frantisek Borsik via Internet-history wrote:
>>> It was share by RIPE on social media yesterday:
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>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAyxbwZzjTw
>>> 
>>> All the best,
>>> 
>>> Frank
>>> 
>>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
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