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bob kahn set up ICB and asked Peter Kirstein to chair- it was to deal with
international coordination as the internet emerges from the three distinct
networks of the early Internet: packet radio, packet satellite (especially)
and Arpanet.

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On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 3:50 PM Jack Haverty via Internet-history <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> I spelunked through some of my old notebooks (paper being the only known
> archival storage even now).   I found my notes from the first ICCB
> meeting, where Vint explained what the group would do and listed a bunch
> of problems that needed work.   In addition to architectural issues
> (like what does a host have to do, how will types of service be handled,
> etc.) there was also a focus on the "January 1983" Internet, and how to
> get rid of NCP and replace it with TCP throughout the Arpanet.
>
> I'm going to go through more of the notes and try to reconstruct some
> history of the ICCB, why it was so secretive, what it did, and how it
> evolved as Vint decided to leave ARPA.   I'll post that to this list.
> There's a lot of acronyms in my notes that need to be explained, once I
> remember what they mean (anyone know what NAAP was?)
>
> Meanwhile...
>
> The ICCB was formed and had its first meeting on September 21, 1981 held
> at University College London just prior to the quarterly meeting of the
> "Internet Project" which typically had its fall meeting in Europe.  I've
> uploaded to Google Drive the first page of my notes.  It should be (if I
> got it right...) accessible to all at:
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C5Q3b8vK_90l2rQvgieI58l6UKfM3CX8/view?usp=sharing
>
> That page starts with the pragmatics of the new ICCB group, e.g., meet
> 4x a year.  Then it lists "Problems" on the newly-formed ICCB's to-do
> list.  These fell into two broad categories: 1) architectural issues
> needing research and 2) short-term pragmatic requirements such as the
> upcoming NCP->TCP transition and making the Internet a reliable
> operational service.
>
> As far as I remember, there wasn't any "ICCB" mailing list or archive.
> We all just kept our own address list using our mail apps.  The group
> was very small - perhaps 10 people or so.  I haven't yet found any
> "attendance list" but I'll keep looking.  I do remember some of the
> members that I'm sure of - Vint, Jon Postel, Dave Clark, and myself.
> Others that I *think* were on the ICCB at the time were Bob Braden, Dave
> Mills, Jim Mathis, Ed Cain, and Ray McFarland.
>
> To avoid confusion now... there was another group formed at the same
> time called the "ICB" - International Cooperation Board.  Its membership
> included some of the ICCB members plus members from outside the US,
> e.g., John Laws (RSRE) and Peter Kirstein (UCL) and perhaps also Paal
> Spilling (NDRE/NTARE).   I don't remember much about the ICB; I wasn't
> on it.   I think Peter Kirstein was the Chair.
>
> The ICCB continued meeting a day before each Internet quarterly meeting,
> with a changing (and growing) list of problems to be worked on.  At the
> September 1982 meeting held at DFVLR outside Munich, Vint announced he
> was leaving ARPA to join MCI.
>
> More spelunking to do.... I'll post more when I decipher my ancient
> hieroglyphics.
>
> Jack Haverty
>
> On 1/23/24 10:01, Noel Chiappa via Internet-history wrote:
> > {Trying to catch up...}
> >
> >      > From: Greg Skinner
> >
> >      > There is a file in the ietf-ftp directory called 1990-all that
> contains
> >      > ietf list messages from 1990.
> >
> > That is better than nothing (considering that the Web-accessible archive
> only
> > starts in 1992), but it's still leaves a _enormous_ hole: the 1st IETF
> (21
> > attendees; held jointly held with the first InArc meeting, IIRC) was in
> > January, 1986 - so there's over 4 years of IETF list emails still not
> > available.
> >
> > I would guess that there's not one place that they'd all be available?
> (If
> > CNRI had a log file of list traffic, would they still have it accessible
> -
> > and if they had backups, do they still exist?)
> >
> > We should get some historian started on trying to track them all down -
> who
> > would be a likely target to take that monumental search on? The CHM?
> >
> >
> > And I'd still like to find the name of the list that was used before the
> ietf
> > list existed (the name is a start; finding any of its archives will be an
> > even bigger search). Would it have been at DARPA? I'd guess not - but
> where
> > else? ISI, SRI or BBN?
> >
> > Pretty amazing that so much of the early history has been lost. At least
> Jon
> > did all the minutes, available as IENs.
> >
> >       Noel
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