[ih] history of protocol bugs

[Jack Haverty]

Dave Clark was there.  I'm pretty sure Keith Klemba was not.  Here's my 
recollection of the people in that photo:

L->R
Dale McNeill (BBN - in charge of SATNET & MATNET operations)
Jim Forgie (MIT Lincoln Labs)
Jim Herman (BBN - in charge of Arpanet operations)
Barry Leiner (DARPA)
Gil Falk (BBN - satellite nets)
Cliff Weinstein ?not sure? (MIT Lincoln Labs)
Jon Postel (everyone knows Jon...)
Steve Kent (BBN - security guru)
Dave Clark (MIT - ICCB "Internet Architect")
Dave Mills (Linkabit, Comsat, UDel, ...?)
Jack Haverty (BBN, in charge of "sponsored research")
(kneeling) I remember the face, but not the name...

There were a few others, not around when the picture happened.  It 
wasn't a large event, probably just an invited list from Barry Leiner at 
ARPA.  I recall that a few attendees (e.g., Jil Westcott) arrived late 
by plane, having been at some other meeting.   I hadn't realized 
Catalina even had an airport.   We used "alternate routing" to get there.

Most of us journeyed from LA to Catalina by the ferry service, through 
the dense fog bank that was common over the Pacific in California in the 
winter.   I recall my surprise as I was staring into the gray and 
suddenly the dock in Catalina appeared - not more than a few hundred 
feet away!  Radar avoided disaster.

The venue on Catalina, at least at the time, was the old Wrigley mansion 
on top of the hill above the harbor.  See 
https://localwiki.org/catalina-island/The_Wrigley_Mansion_of_Catalina_Island 
It was the owners' "summer cottage", and our Workshop was held in the 
living room.  Not much in the way of "conference" paraphernalia but 
there was probably a phone somewhere.  I was sitting at a little "tea 
table" by a window, being distracted by the view and uneasy looking at 
the long drop below.  My perch was in a kind of parapet hanging out over 
the cliff.   I was from the East Coast at the time and had heard about 
those earthquakes in California!

Unfortunately the "Proceedings" that ARPA printed didn't include the 
presentations.   IIRC some of us used viewgraphs (low-tech precursor to 
Powerpoint) and others were just talks or whiteboard-ware so much of the 
content was probably lost.   The "recollections" in the Proceedings had 
a deadline so the publication only contains what the attendees sent in 
by the cutoff date.

Jack Haverty


On 11/13/23 09:34, Barbara Denny via Internet-history wrote:
>   I was skimming through this a little more this morning and noticed that Dave Clark was listed for a presentation. However, he is not in the attendee list, he didn't provide his thoughts, and he is not in the photo that I see.  I am wondering if he didn't make it at the last minute or whether he might have called in.  I don't remember what phone capabilities existed at that time (perhaps a speaker phone?).  I am pretty sure he was at MIT then but there were no other MIT people listed as attendees so I doubt someone else did the presentation for him.
> BTW, I am not sure Keith Klemba is in the photo either.
> barbara
>      On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 07:22:45 PM PST, Barbara Denny via Internet-history<internet-history at elists.isoc.org>  wrote:
>   
>    Thanks Jack!   I am wondering what happened to Jil.  She isn't in the photograph.  It would have been nice to have the only woman attendee in the picture.
> barbara
>      On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 03:32:23 PM PST, Jack Haverty via Internet-history<internet-history at elists.isoc.org>  wrote:
>   
>   In January 1983, the Internet had been operating as a "24x7 service" for
> a year or so.  Vint Cerf was leaving ARPA and Barry Leiner was taking
> over the ARPA Internet projects.   Barry arranged a "Network Management
> Workshop" in January 1983 to bring together a group of people who had
> been working on Internet projects to discuss how to manage the beast we
> had built and gotten some experience in operating and using.
>
> The "Proceedings" of that workshop were unusual - we were asked, after
> the workshop had ended, to each write up short notes on what we thought
> about the state of the Internet and its future.  Much of what we thought
> was wrong - projecting that the Internet might eventually grow to
> contain the unbelievable configuration of 1000 networks for example.
> But those writeups might provide insight into what we were all thinking
> at the time about the technology inside the Internet.
>
> I haven't been able to find those Proceedings anywhere online.   But I
> did find my paper copy in a box in the basement, along with a photograph
> of the group.  It's now been scanned.   Rather than inflict it on this
> mailing list, I've put it online for whoever wants to retrieve it:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cK8Lc22vidgnCxHhyT1qcHmhS82d7xzO/view?usp=sharing
>
> I'm sure there are lots of other historical artifacts, many probably
> only captured in boxes in someone's basement.   The early days of
> networking were, IMHO, quite unusual.   Much of the interaction,
> discussion, and debate that might formerly have been captured in
> journals and learned publications was instead carried out using our
> new-fangled network.   There was no web or massive cloud warehouses
> yet.  So much of that history was only captured in email or other
> ephemeral files accessible through FTP from somewhere else on the net.
> All gone now, except for boxes in basements.
>
> Hope this helps some historians...
>
> Jack Haverty
>
>