[ih] Running long-term archives of this list?

[Jack Haverty]

Yep, I subscribed.   Good stories, really convey the internal "feel" of 
Silicon Valley and High Tech.  I like historical tales written by 
someone who was actually there.

I didn't know whether or not you wanted the exposure of internet-history 
(which I suspect has a lot of lurkers).  But now that I know you don't 
mind ... here's the episode I mentioned in my prior post:

https://albertcory50.substack.com/p/working-at-google-maps

Yes, the internet-history archives are already digitized.  But it 
shouldn't be too difficult for someone to write a script to go through 
all the pieces of the archives and concatenate them into a text file, 
with chapters titled by the dates involved.  Print it out, leave it on 
Google's doorstep, and it might be preserved for future historians.   
Perhaps also offer it for sale on Amazon as a print-on-demand book, so 
AWS will preserve a second copy?

Jack


On 2/13/23 15:10, Bob Purvy wrote:
> Well, that was by me, Jack!  Are you one of my subscribers?
>
> "Albert Cory" is my pen name. "Cory" is my niece's married name, and 
> "Albert" was my dad's brother, who was killed on his very first day on 
> the job at Swift & Co. in the Chicago stockyards. I don't make any 
> attempt to "hide" my real name.
>
> Anyhow, it probably IS archived, since books take up a surprisingly 
> small amount of storage. I really doubt that Internet mailing lists 
> are anywhere in that block of storage. Those were already in 
> electronic form and didn't need scanning.
>
> Although Google is by no means a "good guy" in everything, I think on 
> this issue, they bent over backwards to find some solution that was 
> fair to authors, /especially/ the ones who are dead and no current 
> owner can be found.
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 2:08 PM Jack Haverty via Internet-history 
> <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
>     Yesterday I read a story about Google's small army of employees with
>     yellow badges tasked with methodically scanning books in various
>     libraries' collections to create a comprehensive digital archive,
>     which
>     unfortunately couldn't be available to the public for various reasons
>     such as legal constaints of copyright et al.   I assume it's all well
>     archived and backed up.
>
>     Perhaps we just need to publish the archives as a book.    I suggest
>     "Hairy Totter and the Denizens of The Internet".
>
>     Jack
>
>
>     On 2/13/23 13:52, vinton cerf via Internet-history wrote:
>     > Carnegie-Mellon has an archive - check with Raj Reddy?
>     >
>     > v
>     >
>     >
>     > On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 4:03 PM touch--- via Internet-history <
>     > internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>     >
>     >> Hi, all,
>     >>
>     >> I’ve looked into this before. The obvious choice would be the
>     Computer
>     >> History Museum, but they didn’t know what I was asking for the
>     last time I
>     >> tried them.
>     >>
>     >> Very few places actually run true museum-quality backups or
>     storage of
>     >> ANYTHING (libraries are the exception). Even university
>     archives don’t -
>     >> they don’t separate acid-free from not, etc. And nobody moves
>     data from
>     >> medium to medium as it evolves, i.e., so we can read things in
>     the future
>     >> without needing a non-existent 9-track tape drive.
>     >>
>     >> If anyone finds a solution that’d work for free, please do keep
>     me posted.
>     >> Until then, I figure we rely on the kindness of places like the
>     Wayback
>     >> Machine.
>     >>
>     >> Joe (list admin)
>     >>
>     >> —
>     >> Dr. Joe Touch, temporal epistemologist
>     >> www.strayalpha.com <http://www.strayalpha.com>
>     >>
>     >>> On Feb 13, 2023, at 8:27 AM, Dave Crocker via Internet-history <
>     >> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>     >>> Reflecting, once again, on the  considerable depth and breadth of
>     >> historical technical knowledge that is regularly demonstrated
>     on this list,
>     >> I'm wondering about how robustly is is archives and how easily
>     the various
>     >> archives can be accessed.
>     >>> Yes it's hosted by isoc, but I'm asking about long-term
>     (museum-quality)
>     >> data archival.  (We tend to think of back and archive as the
>     same, but they
>     >> aren't.)
>     >>> Also note I cited 'running' which means that even this message
>     should
>     >> hit those long-term archives pretty quickly.
>     >>> d/
>     >>>
>     >>> --
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